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Trumpstyle on 28 July 2019
drkohler said:
Pemalite said:

Once you hit 1GB of used capacity on each chip, then you can only start filling up the 2GB chips...

And this is when you switch from clamshell mode to non-clamshell mode on the 2GByte chips on both channels, putting the 1GByte chips onto high impedance.

As you say, it is really very complicated implementing such shenanigans and I doubt they are going to implement this. 

I see either 16Gbyte on a 256bit bus or 24Gbyte on a 384bit bus, leaning towards the 16GByte solution which is obviously much cheaper. Also with the "superfast ssd" solution combined with improved memory compression technology leads me to think 16GByte will be enough memory for a console.

Pemalite said:
drkohler said:

And this is when you switch from clamshell mode to non-clamshell mode on the 2GByte chips on both channels, putting the 1GByte chips onto high impedance.

As you say, it is really very complicated implementing such shenanigans and I doubt they are going to implement this. 

I see either 16Gbyte on a 256bit bus or 24Gbyte on a 384bit bus, leaning towards the 16GByte solution which is obviously much cheaper. Also with the "superfast ssd" solution combined with improved memory compression technology leads me to think 16GByte will be enough memory for a console.

Microsoft's E3 trailer shows us that Scarlett is possibly using a mix of 1GB and 2GB chips.
Digital Foundry mentions it here even: https://www.eurogamer.net/articles/digitalfoundry-2019-project-scarlett-spec-analysis

Whether they employ a 256bit or 384bit bus remains to be seen... And again, I am not asserting anything as fact, just hypothesizing on possibilities.

As for the SSD... That isn't a replacement for Ram.

With the recent "Flute" leak for PS5 I'm pretty sure I know what Microsoft is doing mixing 1 and 2GB Vram. As you 2 said, you can't mix those memory types and run them at full speed. So the only solution that make the most sense is 18GB of VRAM on a 256-bit bus, basically you use 8 2GB Gddr6 chips which give you 16GB of vram and run them at full speed, than you just add 2 1GB ggdr6 chips to those memory controllers and run them at slow speed and use this for the OS. This give 16GB Vram for games at 448 GB/s memory bandwidth speed and 112 GB/s with 2GB Vram for the OS. With a SSD they probably won't need more than 2GB for the OS.

Second solution I come up with which is unlikely is a 320-bit bus with 12GB Vram, this gives 560 GB/s memory speed, you use 8 1GB vram chips + 2 2GB Vram. You can use something called FLEX MODE and use all 10 Gddr6 chips and run 10GB Vram at full speed and rest 2GB Vram at slow speed. Which gives 10GB available for games and 2GB for the OS. Only reason I see Microsoft doing this is either Gddr6 chips are very expensive or they doing a powerful gpu with low amount of memory but as I said the first solution is very likely what microsoft is doing.



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DonFerrari on 29 July 2019
Pemalite said:
Azzanation said:

Okay so than we can safely agree on and say Halo is in decline on the physical sales front only but not as an IP since current Halo is making more money than it even has before?

The data is undeniable at this point that sales as they are tracked currently (Which may/may not include digital) and are thus represented in the data points provided are certainly in the decline.

Azzanation said:

The IP is not in decline much like many would like to believe however physical sales is in decline ironically since we move closer and closer to a heavy digital future. But lets ignore the millions of digital sales here and just count physical charts.

Even if we were to assume that Halo 5 had a 50/40 split of Physical/Digital sales, it's still going to come up short... Plus we don't actually know if the tracking encompasses digital or not in any of the data tracking already.

Azzanation said:

The IP is not in decline much like many would like to believe however physical sales is in decline ironically since we move closer and closer to a heavy digital future.

The games themselves with the data we have currently have been on a sales decline.
Digital tracking is another kettle fish entirely...

Azzanation said:

Also just to add, physical sales does not determine a IP decline. Halo as an IP has most likely grown bigger and bigger through the years. Don't be surprised if Halo Infinite sells less copies to Halo 5 but break a Halo profit record next gen. Because like this gen pushed digital sales heavily, next gen will be pushing not only digital sales, but game services (Game Pass) and Streaming services (xCloud)

Halo 3 did $300 million in it's first week.
Halo 5 did $400 million in it's first week.

But adjusting for inflation that would be the equivalent of $370.54 million for Halo 3... So not that much of a step up.
But where Halo 5 has an advantage is the amount of cash Microsoft has managed to spin via microtransactions, which muddies the profits water.

Either way, Halo 5's multiplayer population hasn't been retained... And Halo: Infinite's success is unlikely to be based on any of the other games prior sales precedents, thus it may outsell Halo 5 by a massive margin, especially as it gets a PC, Xbox One and Scarlett release... Provided it reviews well, Halo 5 had some detractions afterall.

From what we know we are comparing Halo 3 SW revenue to Halo5 SW+HW revenue. There is no way that two games with very close price tags one selling 3x the other would have similar revenue. Plus if we are talking profits, gen7 budget of Halo3 was smaller than Halo 5 and X1 cost would severely eat up the profit margin of that 400M.



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asqarkabab on 24 June 2020

I hope they price it well and win the price war against Microsoft again



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Skeeuk on 24 June 2020

Good job Sony. There targeting those that play the most and spend the most. AAA exclusive games please many new single player stories are needed



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pikashoe on 24 June 2020

No, they are targeting as many people as possible just like they and everyone else has always done.



Drakrami on 24 June 2020
VAMatt said:
That's unfortunate. Anti-gamer behavior like this needs to see more pushback. So, I'll put this as a check mark in XB's favor when trying to decide which next gen console to buy first.

lol... why are you so sour? If you are in the clear, you know Microsoft actually started this trend? 

Think about Bioshock, Mass Effect, Tales of Vesperia, The Last Remnant, Dead Rising. 

It's just that Microsoft lost at its own game. 



method114 on 24 June 2020
VAMatt said:
That's unfortunate. Anti-gamer behavior like this needs to see more pushback. So, I'll put this as a check mark in XB's favor when trying to decide which next gen console to buy first.

Yea I do put this as a check mark in xbox's favor when it comes to consumer friendliness. Unfortunately for xbox game selection is like #1 on my list so exclusive deals count even more. I can't even imagine not playing FF7R this year still my GOTY so far.



LudicrousSpeed on 24 June 2020
Drakrami said:
VAMatt said:
That's unfortunate. Anti-gamer behavior like this needs to see more pushback. So, I'll put this as a check mark in XB's favor when trying to decide which next gen console to buy first.

lol... why are you so sour? If you are in the clear, you know Microsoft actually started this trend? 

Think about Bioshock, Mass Effect, Tales of Vesperia, The Last Remnant, Dead Rising. 

It's just that Microsoft lost at its own game. 

Sure, MS started it if you forget the PSone and PS2 generations lol.

Anyway looking back on the source article for this with the PS5 reveal event providing context... they did lock down a bunch of timed exclusives but they also relied on a lot of the smaller games that it said they wouldn’t. In fact the best two looking games imho were timed exclusive multiplats from smaller studios. 



TheMisterManGuy on 24 June 2020

After seeing the PS5 reveal event. Yeah, Focusing on Hardcore my ass. Half the event was platformers and that weird indie visual novel with dinosaurs. Don't get me wrong the reveal was great, but hardly the "Hardcore focus" that was supposedly promised.



EnricoPallazzo on 24 June 2020
TheMisterManGuy said:
After seeing the PS5 reveal event. Yeah, Focusing on Hardcore my ass. Half the event was platformers and that weird indie visual novel with dinosaurs. Don't get me wrong the reveal was great, but hardly the "Hardcore focus" that was supposedly promised.

First year always sucks and its filled with subpar games, dual platform releases and remasters. will get better from year 2 and on.