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shikamaru317 said:

There is a guy on Twitter going by the handle APISAK, who posts information that has been discovered in 3D Mark databases for unannounced chipsets. APISAK found an AMD chipset named Gonzalo that matches up to confirmed info about PS5's chipset from the interview with Mark Cerny. APISAK also provided proof that both PS4's and PS4 Pro's chipsets were tested in 3D Mark on PC before release. 

The Gonzalo was first listed in January 2019, listed as an engineering sample. This new listing is a for a qualification sample, which means that it is near final silicon. Here are the specs that were pulled from the new listing:

  • CPU- 8 core Ryzen, 1.6 ghz base clock, 3.2 ghz boost clock
  • GPU- 1.8 ghz
  • TDP- 95 watt

Unfortunately, we are still missing RAM information, and we are missing 1 key piece of information needed to determine the tflops of the GPU, the CU count. Digital Foundry provided a possible tflop range based on the 1.8ghz clock, ranging from 36 CU's like PS4 Pro, all the way up to 60 CU's like AMD's current highest end PC GPU, Radeon 7, and that range is 8.3-13.8 tflops. Digital Foundry says to expect less than 60 CU's for sure, citing cost, heat, and yields as reasons why a high CU count are unlikely. DF says to expect between 10 and 12 tflop.

The range is between 8 to 14, 7 teraflop they said, but Digital foundry said it's hard to believe so 12 teraflop is possible . Also it's hit the jackpot from the Pastebin leak. https://pastebin.com/9bqReyzm . Including the reveal, backward compatibility, VR backward , SDD.

Last edited by HollyGamer - on 20 April 2019

shikamaru317 said:
HollyGamer said:

The range is between 8 to 14, 7 teraflop they said, but Digital foundry said it's hard to believe so 13 teraflop is possible  

The 14.7 was for the the max CU's possible on the GCN architecture, 64 CU's. Highly unlikely we would ever see a console with 64's CU's, issues with yields alone would drive the price through the roof. Radeon 7 has 60 CU's and it costs $700 right now. 

That's why I said probably 12 teraflop is still possible, hell even 60 CU is still possible, don't forget . Radeon 7 is Vega even it's still based on GCN it's still Vega. Also Navi 10 will be price around 269 USD by the new leak. So it might not be 14,7 but it might still possible to have 60 CU (13 teraflop) 



shikamaru317 said:
HollyGamer said:

Also it's hit the jackpot from the Pastebin leak. https://pastebin.com/9bqReyzm . Including the reveal, backward compatibility, VR backward , SDD.

That pastebin leak is super fake:

-14 tflops is just not possible for a console, especially for the $450 price the leaker mentions.

-No way GTA 6 is 2020, we have reliable Rockstar leakers saying that Bully 2 is their next game and that GTA 6 won't release until 2022 or 2023. 

-I highly doubt that Battlefield Bad Company 3 is 2020. For starters, there are rumors that EA is about to announce big layoffs at Bioware and DICE in the wake of Anthem and Battlefield V's Battle Royale mode under-performing, including the closing of DICE Los Angeles. Secondly, a DICE design director posted a message recently saying that DICE was moving away from frequent sequels and paid DLC, to a model where new Battlefield and Battlefront will release every 3-4 years instead of every 2 years, with longer DLC support for each game. Battlefield Bad Company 3 in 2020, 2 years after Battlefield V, goes directly against what he said. 

-No way Gran Turismo 7 is 2020. Polyphony are notoriously slow developers, no way they can make GT7 in 3 years.

Most of the leak it's true LOL . 14, 7 might be the devkit (digital foundry also mention this)  , reveal date it's also true, Physical media also have been confirmed. The rest that you doubt probably just some random guess by the game developer. 



shikamaru317 said:
HollyGamer said:

Also it's hit the jackpot from the Pastebin leak. https://pastebin.com/9bqReyzm . Including the reveal, backward compatibility, VR backward , SDD.

That pastebin leak is super fake:

-14 tflops is just not possible for a console, especially for the $450 price the leaker mentions.

-No way GTA 6 is 2020, we have reliable Rockstar leakers saying that Bully 2 is their next game and that GTA 6 won't release until 2022 or 2023. 

-I highly doubt that Battlefield Bad Company 3 is 2020. For starters, there are rumors that EA is about to announce big layoffs at Bioware and DICE in the wake of Anthem and Battlefield V's Battle Royale mode under-performing, including the closing of DICE Los Angeles. Secondly, a DICE design director posted a message recently saying that DICE was likely moving away from frequent sequels and paid season passes, to a model where new Battlefield and Battlefront will release every 3-4 years instead of every 2 years, with longer DLC support for each game. Battlefield Bad Company 3 in 2020, 2 years after Battlefield V, goes directly against what he said. 

-No way Gran Turismo 7 is 2020. Polyphony are notoriously slow developers, no way they can make GT7 in 3 years.

Digital Foundry Analysis also aligned with  this new Navi Leak , navi will be the new mainstream GPU that price around 300 USD to 269 USD. Look at  minute 10:07 

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7mJCOSXe_zc

Last edited by HollyGamer - on 20 April 2019

shikamaru317 said:
HollyGamer said:

That's why I said probably 12 teraflop is still possible, hell even 60 CU is still possible, don't forget . Radeon 7 is Vega even it's still based on GCN it's still Vega. Also Navi 10 will be price around 269 USD by the new leak. So it might not be 14,7 but it might still possible to have 60 CU (13 teraflop) 

I can't see that happening. Navi 10 is a replacement for Polaris 30. Polaris 30 is a 7 tflop chip with 36 CU's, so 13 tflops and 60 CU's would be nearly double it's predecessor. AMD has never managed to release a new GPU generation with a performance improvement of more than 1.5x over the previous generation afaik. For instance, Polaris 30, RX 590, offered a 1.4x improvement in flops over the previous generation GPU it replaced, the R9 390.

SO you contradicted your own original post??? AMD gonzalo is based on Navi 10 



shikamaru317 said:
HollyGamer said:

SO you contradicted your own original post??? 

How so? If AMD can manage to pull off a 1.5x improvement again, that would put Navi 10 at 10.6 tflops, which is within the 10-12 tflop range that Digital Foundry says to expect for PS5 in the video. If they can pull off a 1.6x improvement, which they have never done before to my knowledge, but might be possible since they have been working on Navi for nearly 3 years since Polaris released, that would put Navi 10 at 11.4 tflops (very close to the 11.1 tflop 48 compute unit number in the video). 

All I'm saying is, keep your expectations in check. Better to be pleasantly surprised if AMD does pull off a big improvement for Navi 10 over it's predecessor, than to be disappointed because you are expecting high end performance numbers from a mid-range chipset. 

https://www.overclock3d.net/news/gpu_displays/radeon_navi_gpu_specifications_leak/1

This also confirm Navi 10 will able to achieve 1.8 teraflop LOL. So it aligned with Digital Foundry .

Like I said i don't fully believe final consumer PS5 will be 14,7 TF, probably 12 to 13 , because  Digital Foundry analisis said that. Based on Price leak also it will not be expensive, also it has been confirmed by AMD Navi 10 will be a new mainstream GPU.  All GTX 1080 and Vega 64 will be a new mainstream GPU standard 

Navi 10 = GTX 1080 + 15 % is actually believable , what else do you expect ? 



Unless AMD has somehow massively improved their GCN architecture with Navi, I find it ver, very hard to believe that it will reach 1.8GHz on something as limited by airflow as a home console.

So far, their fastest graphics processor based on the GCN architecture is the Radeon VII, based on Vega 20 and made on 7nm, with a base clock of 1,400MHz and a boost clock of 1,750MHz. And that thing needs three fans to cool its 295W TDP.

So, as I said, unless AMD has done magic with Navi, I don't see how PS5 can have a 1.8GHz GPU.



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shikamaru317 said:
HollyGamer said:

https://www.overclock3d.net/news/gpu_displays/radeon_navi_gpu_specifications_leak/1

This also confirm Navi 10 will able to achieve 1.8 teraflop LOL. So it aligned with Digital Foundry .

Like I said i don't fully believe final consumer PS5 will be 14,7 TF, probably 12 to 13 , because  Digital Foundry analisis said that. Based on Price leak also it will not be expensive, also it has been confirmed by AMD Navi 10 will be a new mainstream GPU.  All GTX 1080 and Vega 64 will be a new mainstream GPU standard 

Navi 10 = GTX 1080 + 15 % is actually believable , what else do you expect ? 

There is nothing in that article about how many CU's Navi 10 will have, or how many tflops. It says that Navi 10 will have a 1.8 ghz clock rate, the exact same as the AMD Gonzalo chip, but without knowing the CU count you can't determine the tflops. 

What that article does say is this:

"With reference pricing of $259, RX Vega 56/GTX 1080 (tier) performance would give Radeon a huge advantage over Nvidia in the mid-range of the GPU market, easily surpassing their Turing-based GTX 1660 Ti, which has an MSRP of $279."

OC3D is expecting Vega 56/GTX 1080 tier performance from Navi 10 in other words. Vega 56 is a 10.5 tflop GPU, which falls almost exactly in line with the 1.5x improvement over Polaris 30 I said to expect for Navi 10. 

Then also "  Tum Apisak "  leak that mentioned by Digital Foundry and Adored TV guy, they  agree about the performance of navi 10 will be around  Vega 64 + 15% , While Digital foundry said 1,8 Ghz with 64 CU  will be around 14,7 teraflop, 60 Cu will be around 13,8 teraflop, 56 Cu will be 12 teraflo etc etc until 32 CU. All Navi price will be around 430 USD to 130 USD. 

As in fact I am agree with your post "12 teraflop" but i am slightly more optimist that PS5 will be around 13 teraflop (60 CU) from 64 CU disable.  



shikamaru317 said:
HollyGamer said:

https://www.overclock3d.net/news/gpu_displays/radeon_navi_gpu_specifications_leak/1

This also confirm Navi 10 will able to achieve 1.8 teraflop LOL. So it aligned with Digital Foundry .

Like I said i don't fully believe final consumer PS5 will be 14,7 TF, probably 12 to 13 , because  Digital Foundry analisis said that. Based on Price leak also it will not be expensive, also it has been confirmed by AMD Navi 10 will be a new mainstream GPU.  All GTX 1080 and Vega 64 will be a new mainstream GPU standard 

Navi 10 = GTX 1080 + 15 % is actually believable , what else do you expect ? 

Also, I just found this in a PC Gamer article about Navi:

"Looking at the Vega 64 vs. Radeon VII core size, we can get at least a reasonable estimate of what can be done. Vega 10 (Vega 64) at 14nm is a 486mm^2 die with 12.5 billion transistors, Vega 20 (Radeon VII) at 7nm is a 331mm^2 die with 13.2 billion transistors. That's 32 percent smaller with 6 percent more transistors. With similar scaling, AMD could end up with a 200mm^2 die with 40-48 CUs (2560 to 3072 streaming cores). Toss in higher clockspeeds and lower power consumption, with more memory bandwidth thanks to GDDR6, and the top Navi 10 part could be competitive with RTX 2070."

PC Gamer says they are expecting between 40 and 48 CU's for Navi 10. Based on the scale in Digital Foundry's video, that would be 9.2 tflops for 40 CU's and 11.1 tflops for 48 CU's. So yeah, I wouldn't expect more than 11.1 tflop for PS5 if I was you, unless Sony decides to wait on Navi 20's release in 2020 instead of using Navi 10. 

Then also "  Tum Apisak "  leak that mentioned by Digital Foundry and Adored TV guy, they  agree about the performance of navi 10 will be around  Vega 64 + 15% , While Digital foundry said 1,8 Ghz with 64 CU  will be around 14,7 teraflop, 60 Cu will be around 13,8 teraflop, 56 Cu will be 12 teraflo etc etc until 32 CU. All Navi price will be around 430 USD to 130 USD. 

As in fact I am agree with your post "12 teraflop" but i am slightly more optimist that PS5 will be around 13 teraflop (60 CU) from 64 CU disable.  

PS4 pro die is about 325 mm^2  APU size while for the GPU 235 mm^2.   It hit the jackpot , I believe it will be more than 48 CU, 56 CU  (12 teraflop ) is possible. 

From your source https://www.pcgamer.com/amd-navi-specs-release-date-price-and-everything-we-know/ : "  If Navi does end up competing with the RTX 2080, I expect the price will start closer to $450-$500—but without ray tracing support or Tensor cores. " also the same source  "Navi 20 (a variant of which is likely to find its way into the PlayStation 5) will be where AMD adds ray tracing hardware, and it will replace the current Vega and Radeon VII cards, but it likely won't be available until 2020. "

And PS5 APU will be ready in Q3 2020 https://www.digitimes.com/news/a20190416PD205.html

It's actually also aligned with my previous source https://youtu.be/7mJCOSXe_zc?t=781 which is Navi 20 that cost 430 USD.

So yeah 12 to 13 Teraflop is my opinion based on these leak and analysis. 

Last edited by HollyGamer - on 20 April 2019

When I was looking at the leak i thout it's garbage. Right now after the reavel I  think the info is spot on. At the end if it is 13-14 tf for only 50 $ (449) more then PS4 price that's  some black voodo magic from Sony. The other interesting thing  that i thout was crazy is  GTA 6 exclussive deal. Right now afer the huge rumor about Sony buying Take Two i think there might be some truth in their a partnership. Fo sure there is no buy-out but some kind of deal. If there is smoke there is always a fire.