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AngryLittleAlchemist on 03 April 2019
flashfire926 said:
the-pi-guy said:

Epic gets closer to 17% for a lot of games because they also get a 5% royalty if a game uses their engine.

They also don't offer as many services to developers as Steam does.

Steam also is only 20% cut for bigger games.  

Actually, thats not true. If you use UE4, Epic removes that 5% if you sell the game on their store, so really, you’re going down from 35% to 12% (for smaller games), or 25% to 12% for a big game.

Not entirely true either, it's 20% for really big games like Borderlands. Possibly even lower. Steam said their games work in multiple tiers, so really big games increasingly go down. Whether that's just down one level or multiple we don't know iirc.



flashfire926 on 03 April 2019
AngryLittleAlchemist said:
flashfire926 said:

Actually, thats not true. If you use UE4, Epic removes that 5% if you sell the game on their store, so really, you’re going down from 35% to 12% (for smaller games), or 25% to 12% for a big game.

Not entirely true either, it's 20% for really big games like Borderlands. Possibly even lower. Steam said their games work in multiple tiers, so really big games increasingly go down. Whether that's just down one level or multiple we don't know iirc.

I know its 20%. im specifically talking about games using UE4, so I added the 5% fee for that.



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AngryLittleAlchemist on 03 April 2019
flashfire926 said:
AngryLittleAlchemist said:

Not entirely true either, it's 20% for really big games like Borderlands. Possibly even lower. Steam said their games work in multiple tiers, so really big games increasingly go down. Whether that's just down one level or multiple we don't know iirc.

I know its 20%. im specifically talking about games using UE4, so I added the 5% fee for that.

Ah, okay. What you're saying makes sense in the context of using UE4, yeah. 



AngryLittleAlchemist on 03 April 2019



Ultr on 03 April 2019
Chazore said:
Guess I ain't buying BL3 from this point on then ¯_(ツ)_/¯

Never really liked Randy and I knew he was a liar. I knew he and 2k made that deal with Epic months ago, via his twitter posts. You don't open up with "what's wrong with the EGS" and not know jack shit about it, especially when you're a dev/CEO of a company, that's more involved with the industry than a common bystander looking from the outside. Randy knew exactly what was going on and wanted to defend the deal months prior.

So, if he told everyone months prior, how is he a liar then? :D



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mjk45 on 03 April 2019
Ultr said:
Chazore said:
Guess I ain't buying BL3 from this point on then ¯_(ツ)_/¯

Never really liked Randy and I knew he was a liar. I knew he and 2k made that deal with Epic months ago, via his twitter posts. You don't open up with "what's wrong with the EGS" and not know jack shit about it, especially when you're a dev/CEO of a company, that's more involved with the industry than a common bystander looking from the outside. Randy knew exactly what was going on and wanted to defend the deal months prior.

So, if he told everyone months prior, how is he a liar then? :D

He didn't tell anyone months prior what he did was feign ignorance and ask about what's the fuss about EGS .



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Ultr on 03 April 2019
mjk45 said:
Ultr said:

So, if he told everyone months prior, how is he a liar then? :D

He didn't tell anyone months prior what he did was feign ignorance and ask about what's the fuss about EGS .

I dont see the lying part though, isnt it normal to not announce stuff the moment you know them.



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mjk45 on 03 April 2019
Ultr said:
mjk45 said:

He didn't tell anyone months prior what he did was feign ignorance and ask about what's the fuss about EGS .

I dont see the lying part though, isnt it normal to not announce stuff the moment you know them.

What he did was put out a tweet  asking about what the fuss with EGS was all about acting like it was all new to him,where the truth was he knew what the controversy was about all along, so the issue isn't about them announcing stuff, but him pretending he didn't know about the previous issues pertaining to making deals with EGS, this was done with the sole purpose of turning around and distancing gearbox and himself from the decision.

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Zoombael on 04 April 2019
BasilZero said:
RaptorChrist said:
I'm really enjoying this Steam vs Epic Games Store debacle. Getting a free game every two weeks is quite nice, and hopefully it will encourage Steam to step up their game. I am, however, a bit skeptical about the long-term goals of Epic. They have a sweet, 12% cut of the revenue, which is a major draw for publishers compared to Steam's 30%. The reason I'm skeptical is because I can see Epic raising this fee should they ever be in a position where they can do so.

In other words, Epic isn't being generous with their 12% share... They are simply doing what they need to do in an attempt to get the Lion's share.

Not sure what Steam can do to compete against a moneyhat other than moneyhatting as well

The 30% cut argument is a fallacy because publishers can generate unlimited number of keys and sell them wherever they want including their own stores and still get 100% or whatever they’ve negotiated with humble, gmg, etc 

A good example of this is Squareenix and Paradox where they sell their games for better prices than on the Steam store.

Literally all my FF game purchases have been on their online store since they offered 66% sale on steam keys compared to the standard 50% sale that was on the steam store.

I think Epic will increase the cut too because there’s only so many times they can continue to moneyhat and provide such a low cut. 

If the cut was the actual issue , then Discord Nitro and Itch.io would have been popular considering they both offer a better cut rate than Epic, GOG or Steam.

No, the percentage isn't the actual issue. Thats the fallacy people like to fall for. How much does Sony or Nintendo get.

It underlines the ignorance towards the actual issue, even though it is actually well known. People just like to argue it away and push it aside. Fine. You dont want to listen, find out the hard way. And now they are lamenting and wailing. "O epic is so mean to us. The meanest. O Gaben our savior, where art thou when we needest ye in this our darkest hour."

Yea, i really enjoy to watch this drama unfold.



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asqarkabab on 04 April 2019

What a joke
Will get it on bargain bin for ps4
Like I did with the other borderland games
This series doesn't deserve to buy it full price



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