Slightly earlier in the thread, Mach was pointing out how important it was to know about Trumps dealings with foreign powers, assuming the worst, that Trump would have surely made a bad deal for the people and a good deal for him. They then pointed out that a hidden meaning in Trumps tweet would still make him an idiot (and point out below that the hidden meaning wouldn't matter anyway). Well if Trump is such an idiot, then how did he apparently manage to conspire with foreign enemies and get away with it? If he is that much of an imbecile, there's no way they wouldn't have found enough evidence to make sure he paid the price for what they think he did. The fact that it seems like he isn't quite as moronic as some think he is, makes you wonder who the idiots really are. That's not to say Trump isn't a dummy, but if the dummy is getting away with what they say he is, then his opposition and the Mueller team are even dumber than he is, so why the Trump bashing then? Are we literally watching dumb and dumber play out in real life? I'd guess not, but who really knows?

That's where this all started, with the misspelled tweet, so if you don't care about the tweet and story that goes with it, why bother arguing about it to then ask why anyone cares about it?

I kind of assumed when you pointed out it could be that it's simply a spelling mistake, and I should believe he simply made a spelling mistake, which shows me who he is, which would be an idiot, that was the point. Sorry for getting that all mixed up. I was a little dehydrated and I chose the red juice over the blue kool aid that time. Bad decision on my part..

I never said Trump is perfect, and just like you and I, everyone makes mistakes and thinks and says dumb things at least every so often. Thank goodness the language listening and penalty devices haven't been installed everywhere quite yet. Demolition man needs to remain a movie and not become prophecy.

Instant communication to everyone in the country and potentially the world is dumb? You would rather have the msm try and get you the facts, so you can figure out who's facts are correct or more worthy and who's are not? Were prior Presidential radio or TV announcements dumb? Would they have become dumb if they were held more often? If they said dumb things would it be ok since they were live?

I would guess why people have a hard time staying around him has to do with the headaches from the outside. It's why after I left home I rarely see my mother anymore because she's the type of person to go after you consistently and put you down or flat out destroy you (if she really doesn't like you), just because she isn't getting her way, no matter how minuscule or nonsensical her idea or reason may be. Not a surprise though since we rarely ever saw grandma because she was the exact same way, and treated my mother just as bad, even right in front of us. Dad doesn't like to spend much time around me either simply because if mom finds out she'll make his life hell for an extended period of time. Same old, same old lefty tactics. Mom mostly dislikes Trump and is always watching the msm btw. Could you have guessed?

Thanks for the compliment.

I fully support Trump's push to impose Tariffs on China and restrict free trade. For 30 years US government policy makers have helped ruin US economy, flood US with cheap China imports. China has risen as an economic super power at the expense of the US. China's middle class of 500 million is now bigger than the entire population of the US of 350 million. China's economic growth has been triple the rate of the US over the last 30 years. China's grown at the expense of the US all due to the unfair Free Trade deals that only benefit Chinese economy by flooding the US with cheap imports.

There is an immigrant issue in the US and cracking down on illegal immigrants by building the US-Mexico border wall and sending them back may help slow down the rate of immigrants sneaking into the US. America has enough drugs and criminals and does not need more immigrants of questionable character sneaking into the US. Australia has a strong government that cracks down on the flow of immigrants that pose security risk to Australia and its people. US, Europe and other countries around the world must impose strong immigrant laws to protect its borders and provide security for its citizens.

Nonsense. Exports to the US are less than 3.5% of the Chinese nominal GDP output. China exports more to Hong Kong and Southeast Asia than to the US. Not to mention Chinese imports have grown just as much, or even more, as their exports in the same period. Surely a net exporter of services, and even commodities, as the US would have benefitted?

Either way, I don't think any tax or trade deal would change long-term macroeconomic trends. The US will continue to become more and more a services-based economy centered on large metropolitan areas, and industrial and rural areas will continue to fall behind and demographically shrink.

Official announcements from the past tend to be "Hey, the government really needs to tell you something in an accurate, succinct, and direct way". It becomes "dumb" when they become "Hey, the president is currently mad and on the toilet, so here's some thoughts".

Its not the frequency that causes them to become dumb, it is the lack of care.

Did the Gov do that because they finally had something important to tell the people, or was it because they lacked the ability to get a message out in an easier fashion more often where the majority could knowingly be tuned in? Are relationships or families stupid? Better to have a few bigger events like marriage or showers from time to time, while maintaining a more laid back lifestyle with constant minor events in between? Maybe nothing but one night stands on occasion would be better for everyone?

I can't disagree that a tweet about the Prez being mad and on the toilet would be unnecessary and not exactly what you want to know from him, but then again, the Prez has to deal with the same stupidity or unwarranted hatred thrown his way. I don't think it's fair to say the Prez is simply there to be a punching bag, and I doubt Trump thinks that's ok either, so if you want to poke the bear because he's threatening or endangering you, that's one thing, but when the bear is trying to sleep or minding his own business, you're asking for a reaction and very well may pay for it eventually.

I'd have to disagree somewhat. I'm quite sure if Trump only said positive things as often as he tweets now, he would still get a lot of crap thrown at him verbally. It may be slightly less crap, but that's still too much for most to handle, so as I've said before, if you're put into a no win situation, you might as well just do whatever you want, which is likely at least partially his reasoning for doing so. You could say he should just stop tweeting and then he or anyone else won't have to deal with it, but he will still, since the msm or his political opposition will completely have their way with him through their channels and he won't be able to get a timely message out to the people. Twitter is Trumps media weapon against the msm, and like many weapons, they're not always used just for battle.

You took a hard turn into non-sequitur in that first paragraph that I did not follow.

I cant agree with your assessment in the second paragraph. If the President lacks the ability to act like the President, he shouldn't be president. He doesn't get to whine when people criticize him. He is the President. That comes with the job. If he disagrees with the assessments from his critics, argue through action, not petty snipes and misinformed tweets.

As for the last paragraph, again, you seem to be missing the point. The issue is not whether his tweets are positive or negative. In fact, many of his positive tweets are just as stupid as his negative ones. The issue is the lack of care he puts into them. These are not well though out statements, they are passing thoughts, and it shows. So often he neglects the truth (ie lies) or says something which is then immediately contradicted by the facts or by his own administration. If he had a message worth sharing with the people, feel free to tweet it, but if you are just grumpy and need to kill thirty seconds on the toilet, play Angry Birds instead of posting your bad takes on the official Presidential twitter...

Trump isn't in a "no win situation". He already won. What he needs to do to silence his critics is be a good leader. The only defense his tweets provide is a momentary distraction, which highlights the fact that he does not have a counterargument to these critiques. All he has is a lot of hot air, and a fan base who doesn't question his bullshit.

They both have similarities. In a relationship there are big events and small events, all seen as necessary for the most part. A wedding and then little to no communication afterwards would lead to a bad relationship. The constant communication leads to positives and negatives but it's all part of the deal. Sometimes other couples or people aren't happy due to your relationship, and sometimes it's legit, and sometimes it's not. What if someone is telling your wife that you are cheating on her, and she has no way to find out from you directly? What if the majority of your neighbors are always at your door and getting in your face for something you find silly, stupid, or meaningless? The President chooses to run for the people, and they choose the President. It's a relationship of sorts. To expect perfection or to never have to turn a blind eye to the minor inconveniences, even if that's from other couples, is asking for the impossible.

You can think whatever you like about how the President is 'supposed to be', but I would ask you to take into account what Hollywood stars used to be like, what big businessmen used to be like, and what woman used to be like. Stars were 'too good' for their audience, and you rarely ever saw them mingle with the people, yet now they do, so is that a problem? Big businessman didn't go on podcasts and smoke dope and talk about the end of the world, yet now they do, so is that a problem? Woman used to be submissive to men and more often then not would be a good little housewife, yet now they're strong, powerful, and independent, so is that a problem? Is change good? How long before people know when a change made is a good thing? Instantly, weeks, years, decades?

You never say anything about if he changed his tone whether the push back would change or not with as many tweets. I can't help but wonder if that's because you agree it wouldn't change, and so why should he? If you don't like some of the useless things he says, why not just ignore them or forget them? It's one thing if it's potentially serious, but if he's lashing out while taking a dump, why do you really care? Until Trump makes Twitter and his account mandatory, I don't see a problem that necessarily should be solved. What if Trump sucks at games and it causes him to rage quit then takes that rage out on Twitter anyway?

You can't win if the game you're playing never stops. Being a good leader is two different things to the left and the right. While they may agree on some things, they seem to disagree on a lot more, so no matter what Trump does, he's screwed. You do see Trump at times point out a good question against him and give a worthy response, even if it's not the type of response his opposition want to hear, but that's pretty rare, because most of the time it's stuff like, for the 5700th time, 'something about Russia'. When there's a million other more important useful questions, I can see why Trump get's frustrated and tells them to take a hike. If the child doesn't learn after being told for the 2070th time, let alone the 5700th, that kid needs a spanking, and should've got one, and possibly many, long long ago. Disciplining other people's children isn't easy, especially in today's world.

Trump is holding his 2020 official 2020 announcement campaign.
https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/live/2019/jun/18/trump-2020-campaign-election-launch-speech-live-news-today-latest-updates-orlando-florida

That metaphor is wicked shaky.

And again, you seem to be missing the core point. The issue is that Trump does not put care into his communication. Why does this matter? Trump's tweets can cause huge amounts of money to move in markets and worsen foreign relations but beyond that, by virtue of releasing from the President's official account, his tweets have a certain amount of clout to them. If he says something, there will likely be millions of people believing it, whether or not it is actually based in reality. He has a responsibility to educate himself before he speaks.

This cannot and should not be waved away by saying "different doesn't mean bad". In this case it does. Forgive me if I take a hard stance on "lying to the American people is bad". This whole defense you are putting up is frankly ridiculous. Trump does not get excused for all of his numerous failings (moral, ethical, personal, intellectual, political and beyond) because he got angry because people called him out for his bullshit. He needs to grow the fuck up and his supporters need to stop treating him like a spoiled child while talking big about "discipline".

Call it whatever you want, and take it however you want.

If you're going to talk about clout, then you can't just take Trump into account. It has to be everyone who holds significant clout and does negative things, and that's way more people than just him, and many who completely get away with it, or are actually praised for it. If someone only wants to point the finger at him, then they're much too targeted and close minded to take seriously. If the way someone lives their life is dependent on Trumps useless tweets, then they've got a problem that they need to deal with, not the Prez.

He does get a pass to a degree because of the fact you won't talk about whether or not a change in his tone or "care" in his messages will make a difference, since for the most part it likely won't. Why should Trump act the way some of his critics think he should, if those critics wouldn't change even if Trump did? There are times when the msm or his opposition start something, and lie about him, and yet some people turn a blind eye to it. I don't like it when he clearly lies, but if him telling the truth won't change the lies told about him, why should he change if his opposition won't? Putting up the white flag knowing the enemy is just going to walk up and stab you anyway would be beyond pathetic and un-American.

If you're going as far to say that Trump needs to basically become a Democrat like President in order to get his opposition to change as well, what you're asking for is to undo an election by the people, which is not how America operates, and those that can't stand to live with it, are free to try another country. Good luck to them, because they're going to need all of it.