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Prediction: Larry Kudlow will be the next person to leave the Trump Administration. So Larry went on Fox news of all places and had a talk with Chris Wallace concerning Trump's Tariffs. Its not uncommon for Larry to support Trump and his lies but even he could not support the current lie where Trump is stating that China is paying in actual money to the US Treasury for the tariffs. Trump of course could not let that go so he had to tweet today doubling down on that lie as he so often do and I am sure just about anyone who has followed the President knew he would.

I am more surprised that Larry would go against his boss but then again even he doesn't want to be considered a complete idiot trying to support that dumb lie.

I have to wonder, just how stupid Trump believes his base to be. There is only 2 ways to really look at it. Either Trump knows he is lying and chooses to throw out such a stupid lie or he really is that stupid (Which is what I believe) and he believes his lie. I wonder how many times he has been told what he is tweeting is wrong and how many times he has ignored it.



RolStoppable said:
Machiavellian said:
Prediction: Larry Kudlow will be the next person to leave the Trump Administration. So Larry went on Fox news of all places and had a talk with Chris Wallace concerning Trump's Tariffs. Its not uncommon for Larry to support Trump and his lies but even he could not support the current lie where Trump is stating that China is paying in actual money to the US Treasury for the tariffs. Trump of course could not let that go so he had to tweet today doubling down on that lie as he so often do and I am sure just about anyone who has followed the President knew he would.

I am more surprised that Larry would go against his boss but then again even he doesn't want to be considered a complete idiot trying to support that dumb lie.

I have to wonder, just how stupid Trump believes his base to be. There is only 2 ways to really look at it. Either Trump knows he is lying and chooses to throw out such a stupid lie or he really is that stupid (Which is what I believe) and he believes his lie. I wonder how many times he has been told what he is tweeting is wrong and how many times he has ignored it.

Or maybe, you know, Trump is right?

I never thought of that.  I mean his own guy you know the one who actually has experience in this area did not support him and every other economic person this side of the world also does not support Trump.  I guess there is a possibility that the only person in this world who understand how tariffs work is Trump and everyone else is wrong.



the-pi-guy said:
EricHiggin said:

The interviewer most certainly was using underhanded tactics and clearly thought out the questions and the order in which to ask them, to slowly build up to a climax. You can see it in Ben's face and body language as it goes on. The questions become more and more personal and while he wants to do the right thing by keeping calm, cool and staying focused, he instead get's wound up and doesn't handle it well, being in too deep at that point. Going after Ben for something he's taken the time to reflect on and admit he was incorrect or stupid etc, while publicly posting it so he doesn't have to waste time dealing with it in the future, is something that would surely irk him, which is where he seemed to finally draw the line.

I will say I have to give the interviewer and whoever made and laid out the questions props because they did so very elegantly, from a political point of view, even though it wasn't exactly done in good faith. Another interview with this guy and I think Ben will easily redeem himself without having to stoop to their level.

What do you mean from a "political point of view"?

Well in politics, today anyway, the point is typically to 'destroy' your opponent to make yourself seem more worthy to the people. The interviewer executed this quite well and whether or not you think he 'destroyed' Ben, he most certainly made him look bad. Ben made some decent points as well, but overall the interview did not end if his favor. It's not a big deal because nobody is perfect and it's actually good to get knocked down a peg here and there because it keeps you sharp. 



NightlyPoe said:
forest-spirit said:

Pointing out that Ben Shapiro himself has contributed to this problem is not undercutting the message, and it would be terrible journalism to ignore those examples. If Ben Sharpiro looks bad here he himself and the way he handled the interview is to blame.

I too dislike "x got DESTROYED" headlines, which is part of why I posted the original interview and not one of the reaction videos.

However, in this case Ben Shapiro has owned up to his own misbehavior.  If this were an interview interested in moving the ball forward, they'd follow along the lines of trying to live up to his message.  That's how dialogue happens.

Instead it was just another gotcha quote following it up.  Honestly, the prep work for the interview probably just came from a dumping ground of quotes compiled by Media Matters or something.

I just listened to this interview and no Ben did not own up to his misbehavior.  The thing is when you say and do dumb crap in the past, you have to be ready to admit it and move on.  Instead every response was this arrogant "Even when I say dumb stuff I am still right" kind of mentality.  He didn't want to answer the question and instead just became argumentative. 

So Ben wrote a book about a problem he himself championed during the years and he couldn't be even a bit humble enough to suggest that maybe how he went about such things was wrong and he has moved on.  If anything by watching how he handled himself during the interview, I would say nothing has changed with Ben as he continued to try to defend some of those old quotes even when he knew they were bad.



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NightlyPoe said:
Machiavellian said:

I just listened to this interview and no Ben did not own up to his misbehavior.  The thing is when you say and do dumb crap in the past, you have to be ready to admit it and move on.  Instead every response was this arrogant "Even when I say dumb stuff I am still right" kind of mentality.  He didn't want to answer the question and instead just became argumentative. 

So Ben wrote a book about a problem he himself championed during the years and he couldn't be even a bit humble enough to suggest that maybe how he went about such things was wrong and he has moved on.  If anything by watching how he handled himself during the interview, I would say nothing has changed with Ben as he continued to try to defend some of those old quotes even when he knew they were bad.

Not all of them were bad.  A lot legit have explanations.  That also has to be understood.  Sometimes an outrage isn't really an outrage.  We are living in a time of internet outrage over half-quotes and it really should be okay to push back against those cases.  However, he has owned up to several quotes that he considers wrong and said as much in this interview.

I suspect Shaprio wishes he had this one back, but that doesn't mean that the interview was conducted professionally.

When you are interviewed, its never good to be argumentative.  The reason why is that you never get your point across and you look petty.  Lets take the first question that triggered Ben which was the Georgia Ban on abortion.  So the interview guy specifically stated going backwards and gave 2 examples.  This triggered Ben who had an opportunity to explain why he believed the ban was a good thing and to explain why those 2 examples were legit but instead he concentrated on the farming of the question got argumentative and end up not answering the question or giving his opinion on the issue.

He also did not own up to any of his bad quotes.  He told the interviewer to go to a website and read up on it but he had the chance in the interview to give his side.  The only people who will go to his site are the people who already follow him.  If Ben is trying to show a different side of himself he had the opportunity during the interview to do so.  You cannot sit there and preach about change then get all arrogant and defensive about previous ills in his past.  If anything I came away from that interview believing his book is only facade and the person who wrote is still the same person who made those quotes. 



CaptainExplosion said:

Protect and serve? Bullshit.

The story I linked to above is of a Texas officer who shot and killed a pregnant black woman, and despite what he's done he's on paid leave.

Meanwhile both mother and child don't get to see the light of day.

Sure, she used his taser on him, but he's pretty much getting away with murder.

This is one of the worst incidents of both police brutality AND violence against women, and the fact that it happened in America, in 2019, makes it even worse.

Guess anyone from outside the US shouldn't visit the "land of the free and home of the brave" if they're a woman, non-white, or a child unborn or otherwise.

Actually when you watch the video, the officer used the taser on her, then he dropped it.  You can clearly see him shoot her with the taser and hear the sound.  So after shooting her with the taser, dropping it next to her then while standing over her he shoots her 5 times and his statement is that she took his taser from him and attempted to shoot him.  At the end of the day, in the US, resisting arrest no matter how minor the crime is a death sentence so he will probably get off.



Machiavellian said:
NightlyPoe said:

Not all of them were bad.  A lot legit have explanations.  That also has to be understood.  Sometimes an outrage isn't really an outrage.  We are living in a time of internet outrage over half-quotes and it really should be okay to push back against those cases.  However, he has owned up to several quotes that he considers wrong and said as much in this interview.

I suspect Shaprio wishes he had this one back, but that doesn't mean that the interview was conducted professionally.

When you are interviewed, its never good to be argumentative.  The reason why is that you never get your point across and you look petty.  Lets take the first question that triggered Ben which was the Georgia Ban on abortion.  So the interview guy specifically stated going backwards and gave 2 examples.  This triggered Ben who had an opportunity to explain why he believed the ban was a good thing and to explain why those 2 examples were legit but instead he concentrated on the farming of the question got argumentative and end up not answering the question or giving his opinion on the issue.

He also did not own up to any of his bad quotes.  He told the interviewer to go to a website and read up on it but he had the chance in the interview to give his side.  The only people who will go to his site are the people who already follow him.  If Ben is trying to show a different side of himself he had the opportunity during the interview to do so.  You cannot sit there and preach about change then get all arrogant and defensive about previous ills in his past.  If anything I came away from that interview believing his book is only facade and the person who wrote is still the same person who made those quotes. 

This is one of the main problems though. People like Trump and Ben put stuff out there and yet the media goes after them for those same things over and over. When you're the type of person who goes out of their way to lay things out as easily and clearly as possible in advance, and then you have opposition constantly ask you about those same things over and over, especially when it's beyond old news, it no doubt is really going to get on your nerves. The point in spending the time in advance was so you didn't have to waste time later, as well as trying to stop anyone from bringing it up later to use against you. If your audience requires your media platform to get Ben or Trumps view on things, they'll give you a shot if you're going to be legit, but if you're looking to make a fool of them, then your audience can pay money to find out more about them. As far as Ben would be concerned, it's their loss and it's mostly because of the platform, not him.

Ben put's info on his website and writes books, and then people want him to go over it all again. Now if it was legit and they just wanted to know what he meant, that's one thing, but when they are trying to make him look bad he's not going to have it. It's like Trump and his billions lost. Everyone already knows. He even laid it out on The Apprentice, that he was super deep in debt and crawled his way out. He even has a book called The Art of The Comeback. This is why they go on the offensive so quickly. They already have gone over this, and you can find out more for free in some ways, and pay in others, like for their books. Since their opposition likely wouldn't go to the trouble, or clearly hasn't, why should they go to the trouble of explaining what they already have over and over?



CaptainExplosion said:

Protect and serve? Bullshit.

The story I linked to above is of a Texas officer who shot and killed a pregnant black woman, and despite what he's done he's on paid leave.

Meanwhile both mother and child don't get to see the light of day.

Sure, she used his taser on him, but he's pretty much getting away with murder.

This is one of the worst incidents of both police brutality AND violence against women, and the fact that it happened in America, in 2019, makes it even worse.

Guess anyone from outside the US shouldn't visit the "land of the free and home of the brave" if they're a woman, non-white, or a child unborn or otherwise.

CaptainExplosion said:
Machiavellian said:

Actually when you watch the video, the officer used the taser on her, then he dropped it.  You can clearly see him shoot her with the taser and hear the sound.  So after shooting her with the taser, dropping it next to her then while standing over her he shoots her 5 times and his statement is that she took his taser from him and attempted to shoot him.  At the end of the day, in the US, resisting arrest no matter how minor the crime is a death sentence so he will probably get off.

America is safe for nobody, except for white males and white cops. It's like they only recruit the most racist and trigger happy pigs they can find in America.

It's like the coast guard Nazi who planned to kill Illhan Omar to support Trump.

America is basically Nazi Germany now.

Tough to tell if the STEM shooting agree's or disagree's with this.

https://www.snopes.com/news/2019/05/13/colorado-school-shooter/

https://dailycaller.com/2019/05/09/students-werent-told-vigil-organized-gun-control/

https://dailycaller.com/2019/05/11/colorado-shooter-dad-deported/



CaptainExplosion said:
RolStoppable said:

I'd say that the USA are still not anywhere close to the standards of Nazi Germany.

They're getting closer every day under Trump it feels like.

http://lmgtfy.com/?q=US+Nazi+Germany+Differences