Bloomberg, a known racist, sexist, and transphobic pos that has actually put in place policy that targets, attacks and potentially jails black and Hispanic people endorses Biden and the centrists don't care. So hypocritical considering they were up in arms over a podcaster's lukewarm support of Bernie. Mask off scenario if I ever saw one...
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This guy's got quite a way with words. Earned a new sub XD
As I'm sure you know by now, while I'm not 100% with Bernie I do like him overall, but (and this is one reason I much prefer Tulsi overall), he is just too friendly and passive and even enabling of the Establishment. He needs to play a more aggressive game, especially now that all the eggs have consolidated to the Biden basket for the Neoliberal/corporate faction of the Dems. He has to confront Biden head on. The establishment is going to utterly shit on you no matter what you do or do not do, no matter how much you try to make nice with these people - they are RELENTLESS and will harbor ZERO sympathy or leeway with you if you're at odds with them. So you might as well go and go hard.
Last edited by DarthMetalliCube - on 05 March 2020
"We hold these truths to be self-evident - all men and women created by the, go-you know.. you know the thing!" - Joe Biden
SpokenTruth said:
Dore has been pretty much on point lately. His best stuff is when he's live at a comedy club doing these political discussions. Yes, political discussions at a comedy club...and it's great. |
I've heard bits and pieces that some have posted, but never really delved into his material until now.
I dig the comedic spin on politics as a fan of both.
Also he's a fellow Polish Chicagoan, represent!
"We hold these truths to be self-evident - all men and women created by the, go-you know.. you know the thing!" - Joe Biden
I also watch Jimmy Dore as well and his video about Bernie's "good friend" Biden is on point.
Proud to be a Californian.
| SpokenTruth said: A quick 2016-2020 comparison after Super Tuesday.
2020: Sanders is much closer to Biden in 2020 than he was to Clinton in 2016. And they still have 153 delegates to dole out from California, Colorado, and Utah...3 states Sanders won. Alabama, North Carolina, and Tennessee have 9 left to dole out. Theoretically, they may be tied right now and we just don't know it. In fact, let's do some math and proportion the remaining delegates based on current delegates. Utah - 13 delegates remain. North Carolina - 4 delegates remain. Tennessee - 2 delegates remain. Potential tally: That's a narrowing of the gap from 76 delegates to 46 delegates. That 2016 Super Tuesday number was after all were counted. So a 163 delegate gap in 2016 to a potential gap of 46. |
Even with all of that in mind, the animic boost Biden received from Tuesday's contention seems completely definitive to me, no turning back now. But hopefully I'm very wrong.
My bet with The_Liquid_Laser: I think the Switch won't surpass the PS2 as the best selling system of all time. If it does, I'll play a game of a list that The_Liquid_Laser will provide, I will have to play it for 50 hours or complete it, whatever comes first.
uran10 said:
I don't know, but I don't mind in all honesty. I've got my own theory and I'm just sitting back and seeing how things unfold, especially since I can tell you for a fact a lot of Tulsi supporters who are 100% with Tulsi now will stay home otherwise. That subset may not be that large in general but I feel like those left with her now just happens to be that set and they consist more of Independents who are watching things like assange more than anything. Let's just say I've seen some interactions and Bernie's mild pushing of Russia gate, refusing to call out certain people's corruption because they're his friend have turned a lot of them off of him and Tulsi has gained respect with them. So yea, I think those Tulsi supporters who have bernie as their 2nd choice who want a progressive win have already switched more or less. |
The reasoning is probably largely just to stick it to the establishment at this point, but it's also I feel important that her voice is heard, as she's saying some things that even Bernie isn't touching on when it comes to her anti-war/interventionalist stances and things like the (what I feel to be unjust) Assange imprisonment.
I'd say she should just join in supporting Bernie but again, I'd like to at least see how her inevitable increase in exposure hashes out first, now that she's occupying a far less crowded field of only 3 candidates (and might actually even make a debate). But yeah, I wouldn't worry too much about Tulsi holding back a significant portion of voters from Bernie. While they're definitely adjacent, her supporters are probably the most diverse in political factions - from Democrat to libertarian, independent, even some republicans and right-leaning folks who aren't too keen on Trump. This, coupled with the fact that we're a pretty small faction of voters anyway, probably doesn't mean much for Bernie whether she stays in or decides to back him. So yeah, many would probably either stay at home or write someone in anyway if she exits.
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"We hold these truths to be self-evident - all men and women created by the, go-you know.. you know the thing!" - Joe Biden
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SpokenTruth said:
A quick 2016-2020 comparison after Super Tuesday.
2020: Sanders is much closer to Biden in 2020 than he was to Clinton in 2016. And they still have 153 delegates to dole out from California, Colorado, and Utah...3 states Sanders won. Alabama, North Carolina, and Tennessee have 9 left to dole out. Theoretically, they may be tied right now and we just don't know it. In fact, let's do some math and proportion the remaining delegates based on current delegates. Utah - 13 delegates remain. North Carolina - 4 delegates remain. Tennessee - 2 delegates remain. Potential tally: That's a narrowing of the gap from 76 delegates to 46 delegates. That 2016 Super Tuesday number was after all were counted. So a 163 delegate gap in 2016 to a potential gap of 46. |
There was a comparison in delegate numbers between Clinton-Sanders in 2016 vs. Biden-Sanders in 2020. As I feel the comparison isn't great, as different states voted now in Super Tuesday, I made instead a comparison table of the states that voted so far and their results in 2016 vs. 2020.
As it is now a two-way race (sorry Tulsi), I compared Sanders in both cases with Clinton and Biden respectively and gave Biden the same color as Clinton. I marked delegate count for states in 2020, which are still incomplete. Data is from Wikipedia:
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2016_Democratic_Party_presidential_primaries
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2020_Democratic_Party_presidential_primaries
If I look at this, it gives an inconclusive picture. Sanders won now Nevada and California compared to 2016, but lost Maine, Minnesota and Oklahoma. He has a bigger share of delegates from Texas this time around, but a smaller one in Massachusetts. I can't say if it goes better or worse for Sanders this time around, as different states shifted in different directions.
But feel free to read into the data whatever you find. 
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