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EricHiggin said:
the-pi-guy said:

Firstly how do you know that Democrats/Bernie would benefit from allowing criminals to vote?

Secondly, there's a huge difference from allowing criminals guns and allowing them to vote.  

The fact that you liken "using guns" with "directly fighting for rights", while "voting" is "indirectly getting their hands on a political weapon" is... frankly terrifying. 

There's a reason I don't ask for poison for my birthday, because odds are it would kill me. That's why I ask for things like cash, because they would benefit me. Running for President and pushing for criminals to vote, thinking it will be detrimental to you or your party, would just flat out be dumb. Unless your goal is to purposely hinder yourself or your party, in which case anything you say shouldn't be taken seriously.

I agree there's a difference, but that doesn't mean it wouldn't lead to the same or worse results. I mean just look at it from a Democrats point of view. The free and innocent voted for Trump, and Bernie wants to let the guilty help pick? If the guilty would do a similar job of selecting if not better, why are they behind bars with such a logical mindset? I also don't find it coincidence the left really hate guns and Trump, especially considering how often the msm points out how Trump weaponizes things, like his words.

That means you ask for a gift. Which, funny enough, has the same roots as the German word Gift, which actually means poison. So yeah, you're actually asking for poison for your birthday



The first Morning Consult poll since Biden's announcement is out, and as expected Biden made a jump up by 6 points; conversely Booker, Harris, O'Rouke and Buttigieg lost 1 point, and Sanders 2. On the other hand, Warren also jumped up by 2 points, overtaking Harris for the first time in the process.

Last edited by Bofferbrauer2 - on 29 April 2019

Bofferbrauer2 said:

The first Morning Consult poll since Biden's announcement is out, and as expected Biden made a jump up by 6 points; conversely Booker, Harris, O'Rouke and Buttigieg lost 1 point, and Sanders 2. On the other hand, Warren also jumped up by 2 points, overtaking Harris for the first time in the process.

Hopefully Biden's boost is only temporary and will subside after the first debate. Good for Warren though, she deserves a bit more attention.



o_O.Q said:
SpokenTruth said:

I'm going to answer this question and if you continue to misconstrue the facts, I will be asking you to be removed from this thread.

Sanders was asked about "bread lines" under the Sandinista controlled Nicaraguan government.  He said they were a good thing because in other countries their is no bread to begin with because the wealthy class took it all which is how it went down in Nicaragua prior to the Sandinista overthrow of the Somoza government in 1979.  He didn't say centralized food distribution is a good thing in itself.  He's saying it's better than no bread at all.

You can take the rest of your Sanders rant to the Official US Politics Thread or make one just for Sanders.

(1) "I'm going to answer this question and if you continue to misconstrue the facts"

i have done no such thing

(2) " He didn't say centralized food distribution is a good thing in itself."

his argument is that the rich hoarded the resources can we agree on this to begin with?

then he states that a solution to this("it's a good thing") is to centralise distribution, do we agree on that secondly?

(3) "He's saying it's better than no bread at all."

because without centralised distribution the rich hoard the wealth, this is the obvious conclusion of his argument

(4) "You can take the rest of your Sanders rant to the Official US Politics Thread or make one just for Sanders."

sanders isn't worth that effort, he's pretty much done since we also have him on the sexual abuse scandals within his campaigns to add to him hypocritically having millions of dollars in wealth now while demonising millionaires

(1) Well, yes you do. You take it out of context and overimpose a specific interpretation.

(2) The rich horde the resources. And he says it is better to make a central distribution of basic needs instead of letting people die ABSENT OF BETTER SOLUTIONS. Better solutions obviously would be to build the economic system from start the way, that everyone gets his basic needs fulfilled and he fights for that (minimum wage, medicare for all). So he actually fights for a USA that does not need bread lines to start with.

(3) Well yes I agree with him. Before people die it is better to have bread lines as short term solution. Long term though the society has to be rebuild to make that unnecessary, and he actually does fight for that. But what would you think preferable, given only these two choices:

  • people starve
  • bread lines

(4) Well then, lean back and watch Sanders campaign crash and burn.



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HylianSwordsman said:
Bofferbrauer2 said:

The first Morning Consult poll since Biden's announcement is out, and as expected Biden made a jump up by 6 points; conversely Booker, Harris, O'Rouke and Buttigieg lost 1 point, and Sanders 2. On the other hand, Warren also jumped up by 2 points, overtaking Harris for the first time in the process.

Hopefully Biden's boost is only temporary and will subside after the first debate. Good for Warren though, she deserves a bit more attention.

I agree with you on both statements. That the boost of Biden is only temporary is to be expected, as that is the usual pattern. Still, some candidates got no or no big boost out of their announcement, I hoped this would've been the case with Biden.



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SpokenTruth said:
EricHiggin said:

There's a reason I don't ask for poison for my birthday, because odds are it would kill me. That's why I ask for things like cash, because they would benefit me. Running for President and pushing for criminals to vote, thinking it will be detrimental to you or your party, would just flat out be dumb. Unless your goal is to purposely hinder yourself or your party, in which case anything you say shouldn't be taken seriously.

I agree there's a difference, but that doesn't mean it wouldn't lead to the same or worse results. I mean just look at it from a Democrats point of view. The free and innocent voted for Trump, and Bernie wants to let the guilty help pick? If the guilty would do a similar job of selecting if not better, why are they behind bars with such a logical mindset? I also don't find it coincidence the left really hate guns and Trump, especially considering how often the msm points out how Trump weaponizes things, like his words.

Eric, would you mind addressing this issue in either the official US politics thread or a dedicated gun rights thread?  We're trying to get this thread back onto topic.

Well you must not have read where this started, and must have missed the other conversation going on about it unfortunately. You're welcome. I also forgot that any plans of circling back to make the point aren't aloud, so since this was about what was said and what was really meant, ill read between the lines here and let the flag fly like a gentleman.



I'm really hoping that Kamala Harris can win this one, she's both a great politician and a great face for the democratic party. My second options would be Pete Buttigieg or Beto. I just don't want Biden or Bernie to win, but I guess one of them is probably going to?



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SpokenTruth said:

Update: Colorado Senator Michael Bennet has officially declared his candidacy for the Democratic Party.

We are now awaiting an official announcement from Governor Steve Bullock from Montana.  Pending announcement sometime between 5/13 and 5/19.

I don't feel both have a good chance to still make it to the debates. Stacey Abrams on the other hand could.



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SpokenTruth said:

Update: Colorado Senator Michael Bennet has officially declared his candidacy for the Democratic Party.

We are now awaiting an official announcement from Governor Steve Bullock from Montana.  Pending announcement sometime between 5/13 and 5/19.

There are so many running, that must be some kind of record now, or not?



SpokenTruth said:
Bofferbrauer2 said:

There are so many running, that must be some kind of record now, or not?

While it appears like a record, it's actually not even close.  There is usually a list of a few hundred actual candidates every election cycle.  These are people that have actually filed with the FEC (Federal Elections Committee) to declare their candidacy.  As of 4/29/2019, there were 236 on file.  Along with a further 87 for the Republican Party.  All told, over 700 FEC filings have been made across all parties (and unaffiliated).

That said, it might be a record for 'major' candidates.  The 1976 election had 16 major Democratic candidates and the 2016 election had 17 major Republican candidates.  It's the lack of a definition for 'major' candidate that makes it difficult to officially declare the largest field of candidates...but it's pretty safe that this will be accepted as such in due time.  We currently stand at 22 candidates but do we declare all 22 as 'major'?  If they all stay along for the ride after the first few debates, I think we can safely make that claim...and the claim of largest 'major' candidate field ever.

What definition is being applied to the 22 that describes all of them but doesn't describe any of the rest of the 236? What's the cutoff point here? Or are you saying that the 22 are the ones that filed with the FEC? If so, what defines who gets put on the list of 236?