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SpokenTruth said:
It's interesting to see Inslee drop before candidates with far less donors/polls.

Now on the other hand, if he does endorse Bernie, Bernie's plan may have been the very reason he dropped out. His whole reason for campaigning was climate change. He's obsolete now, his goal in running is served.



HylianSwordsman said:
After that amazing climate plan from Bernie, if Inslee doesn't endorse him, his entire candidacy was a joke.

https://earther.gizmodo.com/bernie-sanders-climate-plan-is-nothing-short-of-a-revol-1837456120

Bernie is not the only one with a good climate change plan.



jason1637 said:
HylianSwordsman said:
After that amazing climate plan from Bernie, if Inslee doesn't endorse him, his entire candidacy was a joke.

https://earther.gizmodo.com/bernie-sanders-climate-plan-is-nothing-short-of-a-revol-1837456120

Bernie is not the only one with a good climate change plan.

Lol, are you kidding me? Have you seen the plan? It blows every other plan out of the water. Everything else is a joke by comparison. Warren seriously needs to step her game up to compete on climate after this one.



HylianSwordsman said:
jason1637 said:

Bernie is not the only one with a good climate change plan.

Lol, are you kidding me? Have you seen the plan? It blows every other plan out of the water. Everything else is a joke by comparison. Warren seriously needs to step her game up to compete on climate after this one.

What about Bernies plan is better?



HylianSwordsman said:
After that amazing climate plan from Bernie, if Inslee doesn't endorse him, his entire candidacy was a joke.

https://earther.gizmodo.com/bernie-sanders-climate-plan-is-nothing-short-of-a-revol-1837456120

This reminds me of one of the things about Bernie that I don't agree with.  

He's anti-nuclear and that's very much written into his plan.  

jason1637 said:

What about Bernies plan is better?

Bernie has a much more sweeping plan.  It's way more ambitious than Warren's plans.  Warren's goals are pretty slow burning.  It's basically a slow push to clean energy.

Whereas Bernie's plan is basically a huge push to ensure that clean energy is being used as soon as possible.



jason1637 said:
HylianSwordsman said:

Lol, are you kidding me? Have you seen the plan? It blows every other plan out of the water. Everything else is a joke by comparison. Warren seriously needs to step her game up to compete on climate after this one.

What about Bernies plan is better?

It outclasses every other plan out there in pretty much every facet, does it faster, and does it with a direct investment in the American economy that would result in fixing climate change not harming the economy, but instead helping it. A few other plans try similar investments, but none are this aggressive, would prevent as much climate change damage as this one, and none stand a chance of creating nearly as many jobs (20 million) while also helping those in the fossil fuel industry that would be losing them by giving them free training and job placement. To Jay Inslee's credit though, his plan was more detailed and also had a 10 year target like Bernie's, but he's dropping out and ultimately Bernie's goes farther, penetrating deeper into the economy and with deeper investments. It also lays out a foreign policy vision that would see the United States lead on the world stage. Right now, China is being looked to for leadership, due to their deep investments, which is ultimately sickening and ironic, considering they're also the biggest coal polluters and their totalitarian dictatorship absolutely cannot be allowed to be the government that sets the example for leadership in anything. Bernie's plan represents massive, international mobilization to address the climate change problem, and a revolution at home that would be a kick in the pants to our economy if Trump's policies do indeed lead to a recession. It's on a whole other scale from other proposals.



the-pi-guy said:
HylianSwordsman said:
After that amazing climate plan from Bernie, if Inslee doesn't endorse him, his entire candidacy was a joke.

https://earther.gizmodo.com/bernie-sanders-climate-plan-is-nothing-short-of-a-revol-1837456120

This reminds me of one of the things about Bernie that I don't agree with.  

He's anti-nuclear and that's very much written into his plan. 

Alright, I'll give you a chance to defend this. Why nuclear? Because as far as I can see, it's a dead industry dragging the green movement down, and we'd be better off investing billions into fusion than trying to keep alive a failing fission industry. Everyone I've talked to so far just repeats talking points from the nuclear industry.



HylianSwordsman said:

Alright, I'll give you a chance to defend this. 

How gracious of you....

HylianSwordsman said:

Why nuclear? Because as far as I can see, it's a dead industry dragging the green movement down, and we'd be better off investing billions into fusion than trying to keep alive a failing fission industry. Everyone I've talked to so far just repeats talking points from the nuclear industry.

>Why nuclear?

It creates massive amounts of energy.  

> it's a dead industry 

It's largely dead because of fears that don't really hold up anymore.  It's not because of a lack of progres.  

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=poPLSgbSO6k



Wow, that's a really aggressive climate plan. I really like it but it will be a very hard sell to fiscal conservatives who just think of the 16 trillion needed as a cost rather than an investment. Y'all ready for the revolution though?



 

CrazyGamer2017 said:
Bofferbrauer2 said:

But that's just republicans. It's pretty much what we have now with the democrats, just with different people and ideologies.

You asked for the ones where democrats and republicans are pitted against each other. That only happens after both parties have nominated their running team (their presidential and vice presidential candidates), so after each party's national convention. Since those are in summer next year, you are one year off.

True but he said I'm off by a year with the PRESIDENTIAL debates, the Rep debates were presidential debates and those began in 2015, that's why I replied that to him.

As for the ones I asked, yes, I asked for the ones where Dems were pitted against Reps and it seems those started much later as you explain. I guess what I remember is how electric the Rep debates were with Trump attacking everywhere and everyone around him and that's why I'm confused about those not being Reps vs Dems which is where you'd expect electricity going through the show in high voltage.

So I guess I'm going to have to be patient for those.

Those are the party primary debates.  The combined presidential debates take place far closer to the actual election after candidates from each party have been nominated. Hence why I said you're a year early.



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