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Forums - Sales Discussion - Global Hardware 23 February 2019

Great to see PS4 selling on par with the switch in its 6th year with no pricecuts.



Geralt99 said:
Great to see PS4 selling on par with the switch in its 6th year with no pricecuts.

Actually, since it's the release week of Anthem, wouldn't the PS4 be supposed to be on top normally? I'm pretty sure any previous year the PS4 would have sold at least 50k more, Anthem flopping or not.

I do think the gap will grow pretty fast in slower weeks



I don't see Anthem like a system seller actually. I don't know what happens in Bioware.



Bofferbrauer2 said:
Geralt99 said:
Great to see PS4 selling on par with the switch in its 6th year with no pricecuts.

Actually, since it's the release week of Anthem, wouldn't the PS4 be supposed to be on top normally? I'm pretty sure any previous year the PS4 would have sold at least 50k more, Anthem flopping or not.

I do think the gap will grow pretty fast in slower weeks

At this stage of a console's life, individual titles don't really give notable boosts to hardware unless it's something truly huge.



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Immersiveunreality said:
Eagle367 said:

What does that have to do with PS4 still selling gangbusters and switch barely being up year over year?

Because that trend can translate in less people adapting to consolegaming from an early age,an age that those people normally get a nintendo console and when being older they just immidiately jump to the more mature console being the PS4 so that could explain PS4's gangbuster sales in comparison.

Just speculation ofcourse. :p

Edit: Although the switch sales look fine to me,also worth noting they come from the lesser userbase that was the WII U.

That's horse shit and you know it. Nintendo themselves revealed the biggest group of switch buyers is 20-35 year olds. The switch is made for the age group you're describing



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Eagle367 said:
Immersiveunreality said:

Because that trend can translate in less people adapting to consolegaming from an early age,an age that those people normally get a nintendo console and when being older they just immidiately jump to the more mature console being the PS4 so that could explain PS4's gangbuster sales in comparison.

Just speculation ofcourse. :p

Edit: Although the switch sales look fine to me,also worth noting they come from the lesser userbase that was the WII U.

That's horse shit and you know it. Nintendo themselves revealed the biggest group of switch buyers is 20-35 year olds. The switch is made for the age group you're describing

So Nintendo themselves confirmed that there are not many new young consumers while the age group they mentioned can very well have alot of last gen nintendo adapters and you think that is information against my speculation? :p

Bolded: Dont go that fanboy route on me,i have always liked the nintendo brand and i do not see it changing so as i said i am just speculating on the cause of these kind of sales.



With so many games coming out on PS4 and Xbox One in these first two months, it's awesome to see Switch still be on top. Goes to show that the already existing library is enough to buy one for, and the upcoming games hype is certainly helping with keeping the momentum.



Immersiveunreality said:
Eagle367 said:

That's horse shit and you know it. Nintendo themselves revealed the biggest group of switch buyers is 20-35 year olds. The switch is made for the age group you're describing

So Nintendo themselves confirmed that there are not many new young consumers while the age group they mentioned can very well have alot of last gen nintendo adapters and you think that is information against my speculation? :p

Bolded: Dont go that fanboy route on me,i have always liked the nintendo brand and i do not see it changing so as i said i am just speculating on the cause of these kind of sales.

There's an easier explanation to why PS sells so much. My question is switch sales seem too low and should have grown year over year like everywhere else. PS sells more because Sony did better marketing to establish itself and it has a better distribution network to reach all the countries in Europe whereas Nintendo does not. That is why Nintendo also suffers in the rest of the world. I'm saying your analysis is thoroughly and completely wrong in my opinion and that is corroborated with the fact that distribution of age groups of ps4 and switch buyers is very similar, not different.  I'm also saying that I think the switch is selling much higher than what is shown here. That's my point, nothing else and it's based on looking at trends in japan and US. Europe has no reason to provide no growth year over year to the switch sales, it's just inconsistent with everything else we know. Europe should be anywhere from 70,000 to 85,000 weekly by now, not around 65,000.



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Eagle367 said:
Immersiveunreality said:

So Nintendo themselves confirmed that there are not many new young consumers while the age group they mentioned can very well have alot of last gen nintendo adapters and you think that is information against my speculation? :p

Bolded: Dont go that fanboy route on me,i have always liked the nintendo brand and i do not see it changing so as i said i am just speculating on the cause of these kind of sales.

There's an easier explanation to why PS sells so much. My question is switch sales seem too low and should have grown year over year like everywhere else. PS sells more because Sony did better marketing to establish itself and it has a better distribution network to reach all the countries in Europe whereas Nintendo does not. That is why Nintendo also suffers in the rest of the world. I'm saying your analysis is thoroughly and completely wrong in my opinion and that is corroborated with the fact that distribution of age groups of ps4 and switch buyers is very similar, not different.  I'm also saying that I think the switch is selling much higher than what is shown here. That's my point, nothing else and it's based on looking at trends in japan and US. Europe has no reason to provide no growth year over year to the switch sales, it's just inconsistent with everything else we know. Europe should be anywhere from 70,000 to 85,000 weekly by now, not around 65,000.

Different regions have different sales curves. Look at the data Nintendo gave in last quarters financial presentation.

April-December 2018

Japan, +4% YoY

North America, +18%

Europe, +40%

 

Europe had huge growth last year while Japan was minimal and N. America was moderate.

Notice how Japan had the smallest growth in 2018 but the highest growth in 2019? It had more room for improvement while Europe had large growth in 2018 so its room for improvement is lower this year.

PS4 sales in 2017 are another good example. This was the year where PS4 had its global peak, up 2.7m YoY, but NPD+Media Create actually had it slightly down about 300k YoY. This means that US+Japan were down 300k while Europe+RotW were up by 3m.

 

Just because 2 of the 4 regions are up/down, does not mean the other 2 will follow the same trend. Switch could very well be undertracked but your reasoning behind it is flawed.



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zorg1000 said:
Eagle367 said:

There's an easier explanation to why PS sells so much. My question is switch sales seem too low and should have grown year over year like everywhere else. PS sells more because Sony did better marketing to establish itself and it has a better distribution network to reach all the countries in Europe whereas Nintendo does not. That is why Nintendo also suffers in the rest of the world. I'm saying your analysis is thoroughly and completely wrong in my opinion and that is corroborated with the fact that distribution of age groups of ps4 and switch buyers is very similar, not different.  I'm also saying that I think the switch is selling much higher than what is shown here. That's my point, nothing else and it's based on looking at trends in japan and US. Europe has no reason to provide no growth year over year to the switch sales, it's just inconsistent with everything else we know. Europe should be anywhere from 70,000 to 85,000 weekly by now, not around 65,000.

Different regions have different sales curves. Look at the data Nintendo gave in last quarters financial presentation.

April-December 2018

Japan, +4% YoY

North America, +18%

Europe, +40%

 

Europe had huge growth last year while Japan was minimal and N. America was moderate.

Notice how Japan had the smallest growth in 2018 but the highest growth in 2019? It had more room for improvement while Europe had large growth in 2018 so its room for improvement is lower this year.

PS4 sales in 2017 are another good example. This was the year where PS4 had its global peak, up 2.7m YoY, but NPD+Media Create actually had it slightly down about 300k YoY. This means that US+Japan were down 300k while Europe+RotW were up by 3m.

 

Just because 2 of the 4 regions are up/down, does not mean the other 2 will follow the same trend. Switch could very well be undertracked but your reasoning behind it is flawed.

We'll have to wait and see where switch lands in April when we get the first quarterlies since Europe won't give us any info till then.



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