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Intrinsic on 16 February 2019
iron_megalith said:
Intrinsic said:

Its not even possible to fix. 

If you will notice it though thats another matter. But genres (fighting games) or FPS games that are best played at 60fps will suffer it the most.

I had my doubts as well. Not even a fiber connection will make this work. When the time comes and they force it down our throats, they can go screw themselves.

Yh.... it just boils down to there being more "handshakes". Locally, you hit a button, it goes to your console, video gets sent to your display, done. With streaming you hit a button, it goes to a client, that gets sent via your internet (ping and all) to a server, server accepts input and makes video, sends that back through internet t you client, client processes video, sends it to your display.

Only way t make this whole thin faster is by eliminating steps not by increasing internet speeds because as it stands we have internet speeds that are good enough for streaming. Even at compressed 4k.



method114 on 18 February 2019
Cerebralbore101 said:

https://www.cnet.com/news/sonys-shawn-layden-wants-fewer-bigger-playstation-games/#

So, I found this interview where Shawn Layden (Sony's big boss when it comes to developing exclusives) talking about the future of Playstation. A few things he says that I thought were interesting...

Streaming won't be viable for a long time. 

He's basically saying that unless you live in a big city, you're not going to be able to stream games until something like ten years from now. I agree, and I think MS's attempt to move XboxLive to games as a service is too early. 

E3 used to be about letting retailers know what was coming up for the holiday season. It isn't anymore. There's a whole other meeting for that. It happens way before E3. 

 Yeah this is really interesting, and kind of explains how things get leaked before E3. It is because retailers already know about everything that is going to be revealed. They have to, or else they don't have enough time to make orders, and fill inventory in time for Christmas. 

He wants to make fewer exclusives, but bigger better games. 

A lot of people might recoil at this, but it sounds to me like he wants fewer games in the 75-80 range on Metacritic, and more games in the 85 - 95 range. I think the development of Days Gone is a good example of this. That game has been delayed forever in order to get it to be a good game. In other words he's a fan of the Nintendo method of delaying games until they are good. He said that the amount of exclusives coming to PS4 this year is about the number he would like to see for every year. So when he says less games, keep that in mind. We are probably getting 2-4 PS exclusives this year so all in all this would be good news. 

Sony has no interest in making a Battle Royale. 

He basically said it's a fad, and that Sony doesn't want to jump onto a bandwagon. 

Weird that he says he wants to make fewer exclusives but the same amount as they have now? So than fewer than what? Also tired of people saying BR is a fad. It's not a fad it's like saying MOBA's are a fad. It's a game genre that people like and will continue to tweak and change the same way every other gaming genre has done. I've never really enjoyed BR games until Apex.



Replicant on 18 February 2019
PotentHerbs said:
"He also hinted that Sony's ready to buy up other game makers as it looks to expand the types of games it makes."

I struggle to come up with possible acquisitions well suited to help them expand the types of games they make. Insomniac Games, Kojima Productions, and Supermassive Games all make great singleplayer games which SIE already has a bunch of.

Possible:
Bluepoint Games (Shadow of the Colossus Remake)
Clap Hanz (Everybody’s Golf)
Housemarque (Resogun)
Insomniac Games (Spider-Man)
Kojima Productions (Death Stranding)
Supermassive Games (Until Dawn)
 
Unlikely:
4A Games (Metro)
Arc System Works (Granblue Fantasy Versus)
Bungie (Destiny)
Codemasters (Dirt Rally)
Crytek (Hunt: Showdown)
CyberConnect2 (Dragon Ball: Project Z)
Dontnod (Remember Me)
Firesprite (The Persistence)
FromSoftware (Bloodborne)
Funcom (Conan Exiles)
Gearbox Software (Borderlands)
Hello Games (No Man’s Sky)
IO Interactive (Hitman)
Level-5 (Ni no Kuni)
Media.Vision (Wild Arms)
PlatinumGames (Granblue Fantasy: Relink)
Q-Games (PixelJunk Series)
Quantic Dream (Detroit: Become Human)
Ready at Dawn Studios (The Order: 1886)
Remedy Entertainment (Control)
Sanzaru Games (Sly Cooper: Thieves in Time)
Sumo Digital (LittleBigPlanet 3)
Tarsier Studios (Tearaway Unfolded)
Yager Development (Spec Ops: The Line)



Replicant on 18 February 2019
twintail said:

Why would they be looking to buy new studios, especially ones they personally havent worked with? 

That's my point. Hence the: "I struggle to come up with possible acquisitions well suited to help them expand the types of games they make."

With that said, they have collaborated with most of those devs.

Possible:
Bluepoint Games (Shadow of the Colossus Remake)
Clap Hanz (Everybody’s Golf)
Housemarque (Resogun)
Insomniac Games (Spider-Man)
Kojima Productions (Death Stranding)
Supermassive Games (Until Dawn)
 
Unlikely:
Bungie (Destiny)
Firesprite (The Persistence)
FromSoftware (Bloodborne)
Hello Games (No Man’s Sky)
Level-5 (Ni no Kuni)
Media.Vision (Wild Arms)
Q-Games (PixelJunk Series)
Quantic Dream (Detroit: Become Human)
Ready at Dawn Studios (The Order: 1886)
Sanzaru Games (Sly Cooper: Thieves in Time)
Sumo Digital (LittleBigPlanet 3)
Tarsier Studios (Tearaway Unfolded)



Replicant on 19 February 2019
twintail said:

i also disagree with your list. The ship has sailed for both HouseMarque and SuperMassive. If Sony wanted them it would have happened by now. I would argue Clap Hanz too. If Sony hasn't incorporated them into their own studios by now it aint happening.

Also both Quantic Dreams and FromSoftware are not unlikely, they are straight up not going to happen/ impossible. Quantic Dreams already has some shares bought up by a Chinese company and FromSoftware is not even independent, they belong to a big media conglomerate.

Good point. Housemarque, Supermassive, and Clap Hanz should probably be moved to "Unlikely".

Yeah, I considered making a third category called "Impossible" with non-independent companies that can't just independently agree to be acquired. These not only include Quantic Dream and FromSoftware but also e.g. Codemasters (Reliance Entertainment owns 29%).

twintail said:

Bungie and HelloGames wont happen since their involvement for both was just marketing, and not actual game making which is what Sony does first before studio acquisitions.

Bungie and Sony also collaborated to develop the DualShock 4 though you're right about no actual collaboration on game development. I guess, I included those to be able to look at all the possibilities.

twintail said:

Of course anything could happen I suppose.

...



Replicant on 19 February 2019
twintail said:

Sony havent bought a studio (at least newsworthy) since Sucker Punch in 2011. 

They have already opened PixelOpus, Manchester Studio and a new studio in San Diego, while expanding existing studios.

Re-reading Shawn Layden's "buy up other game makers", I see that it's possible that he only refers to individual game makers and not established studios.

Because I agree that Sony tends to establish and expand internal studios rather than acquire external studios. 8 of Sony's 13 studios are founded internally. In comparison, only 4 of Microsoft's 12 studios are founded internally.


Sony Interactive Entertainment:
1. Bend Studio (Days Gone)
2. Guerrilla Games (Horizon: Zero Dawn)
3. Japan Studio (Astro Bot Rescue Mission)
4. London Studio (Blood and Truth)
5. Manchester Studio (-)
6. Media Molecule (Dreams)
7. Naughty Dog (The Last of Us Part II)
8. Pixelopus (Concrete Genie)
9. Polyphony Digital (Gran Turismo Sport)
10. Santa Monica Studio (God of War)
11. San Diego Studio (MLB The Show 19)
12. San Mateo Studio (Helldivers)
13. Sucker Punch (Ghost of Tsushima)

Microsoft Studios:
1. 343 Industries (Halo Infinite)
2. The Coalition (Gears of War 5)
3. Compulsion Games (We Happy Few)
4. The Initiative (-)
5. inXile Entertainment (Wasteland 3)
6. Mojang (Minecraft)
7. Ninja Theory (Hellblade: Seuna's Sacrifice)
8. Obsidian Entertaiment (The Outer Worlds)
9. Playground Games (Forza Horizon 4)
10. Rare (Sea of Thieves)
11. Turn 10 Studios (Forza Motorsport 7)
12. Undead Labs (State of Decay 2)



Evilms on 19 February 2019



method114 on 20 February 2019
twintail said:
method114 said:

Weird that he says he wants to make fewer exclusives but the same amount as they have now? So than fewer than what? Also tired of people saying BR is a fad. It's not a fad it's like saying MOBA's are a fad. It's a game genre that people like and will continue to tweak and change the same way every other gaming genre has done. I've never really enjoyed BR games until Apex.

This is a good example where actually reading thr source would show that OP didnt know what he was talking about.

Layden never says they now want to make fewer games but rather says so as a general statement. Which is true in comparison to years before.

He also doesnt say BR is a fad. Just that he doesnt see the need for So mny to enter that genre when what they are doing now is working so well for them (single player narrative games)

 

Ok good to hear. All of these are much more reasonable statements which I actually agree with 100%. Especially the single player narrative which I enjoy a lot.



0D0 on 21 February 2019

Whatever they say, staying out of e3 doesn't make sense in my opinion, really.. Presence is always presence and even though we can discuss if e3 is still relevant, the thing is, their competition will be there and it's still has a lot of audience. so, they can say they don't go there because they don't want to spend money or they've got nothing to show.. that's sorta fair, but still, they could survive there with 1 big game only and i don't think money's a problem for a corp like them.

Maybe they just don't care after selling 90m and that'd be a fairer answer imo



God bless You.

My Total Sales prediction for PS4 by the end of 2021: 110m+

When PS4 will hit 100m consoles sold: Before Christmas 2019

There were three ravens sat on a tree / They were as blacke as they might be / The one of them said to his mate, Where shall we our breakfast take?


PotentHerbs on 24 February 2019
Replicant said:
PotentHerbs said:
"He also hinted that Sony's ready to buy up other game makers as it looks to expand the types of games it makes."

I struggle to come up with possible acquisitions well suited to help them expand the types of games they make. Insomniac Games, Kojima Productions, and Supermassive Games all make great singleplayer games which SIE already has a bunch of.

Possible:
Bluepoint Games (Shadow of the Colossus Remake)
Clap Hanz (Everybody’s Golf)
Housemarque (Resogun)
Insomniac Games (Spider-Man)
Kojima Productions (Death Stranding)
Supermassive Games (Until Dawn)
 
Unlikely:
4A Games (Metro)
Arc System Works (Granblue Fantasy Versus)
Bungie (Destiny)
Codemasters (Dirt Rally)
Crytek (Hunt: Showdown)
CyberConnect2 (Dragon Ball: Project Z)
Dontnod (Remember Me)
Firesprite (The Persistence)
FromSoftware (Bloodborne)
Funcom (Conan Exiles)
Gearbox Software (Borderlands)
Hello Games (No Man’s Sky)
IO Interactive (Hitman)
Level-5 (Ni no Kuni)
Media.Vision (Wild Arms)
PlatinumGames (Granblue Fantasy: Relink)
Q-Games (PixelJunk Series)
Quantic Dream (Detroit: Become Human)
Ready at Dawn Studios (The Order: 1886)
Remedy Entertainment (Control)
Sanzaru Games (Sly Cooper: Thieves in Time)
Sumo Digital (LittleBigPlanet 3)
Tarsier Studios (Tearaway Unfolded)
Yager Development (Spec Ops: The Line)

I don't see why Sony wouldn't buy developers who are single player focused. It fits more with their 'culture' if anything.