My eyes....

Listen, they are levels below Sony or Ninny, or other serious publishers. The Spencer talking is blablabla just like Netflix we will mantain healthy businnes model in 2027.

No, the xCloud will not work 1080p on an Android phones, because streaming + wireless connection, I got 150 MB, it switches from 140+ to just 0.01 MB, not even say a word about multiplayer, not even single one. And Android phones are Spencer's main target now, he said it himself.

Head to head with Sony or N, not in 2020s. Industry leading - not even once, they just want to make theirs League of Legends/Fortnite. Thats why they bought Minecraft.

So how many times can we say this will be MS's last Xbox?

Xbox Live Coming To Nintendo Switch, iOS, And Android, Microsoft Confirms
(By Oscar Dayus on February 5)

""Microsoft plans to expand Xbox Live to other platforms, including Nintendo Switch and mobile. The company says bringing the network to more consoles will "enable game developers to connect players between iOS, Android, and Switch in addition to Xbox and any game in the Microsoft Store on Windows PCs."

The move was teased in the description for an upcoming session at GDC, where the plans will presumably be revealed in more detail. The session, titled Xbox Live: Growing & Engaging Your Gaming Community Across iOS, Android, Switch, Xbox, and PC (Presented by Microsoft), will include details on the expansion, which Microsoft says will take Xbox Live to "over 2 billion devices with the release of our new cross-platform Xbox development kit."

The description continues: "Xbox Live players are highly engaged and active on Xbox and PC, but now they can take their gaming achievement history, their friends list, their clubs, and more with them to almost every screen." Further details are scant at present, but we'll learn more during GDC, which takes place from March 18-22.

While this news doesn't necessarily concern cross-play directly, Microsoft has been talking for years now about connecting rival platforms, like PS4 and Xbox One. Xbox boss Phil Spencer previously explained that success to Microsoft involves more than just sales of Xbox One. In fact, GameSpot's discussion with him back in late 2017 is quite telling and makes this new Xbox Live news sound like something it's been contemplating for years.

"I think about how successful Xbox has been, and what I think about is how many people are in engaged with something to do with Xbox, playing our games, watching things on Mixer, on Xbox Live, on our console," Spencer said. "But I look at those in aggregate, and so it's not actually about how many Xbox One Xs do I go sell, or how any Ss do I sell, or even how many of one individual game that I go sell. I look at, are we growing the number of people who have a relationship with Xbox in some way? [It] could be an Android customer in China playing Minecraft, but that's a person who's connected to our platform who's able to use Mixer, who's able to connect to Xbox Live, meet their friends online. That's really the metric for growth right now.

"I think if you get so focused just on hardware sales at this point, as gamers, we lose sight of what's going on around the console business. Console's important. I love the console space, but it's part of the gaming business, it's not total. So I just don't define success by any one individual version of our console and how many we sell. Are we growing the business? Are we growing the number of customers?"

Taking Xbox Live to other consoles seems like the natural next step after the cross-platform play that exists within certain games, such as Fortnite or Minecraft. Sony has been less cooperative when it comes to cross-platform play and allowing other services on to its PlayStation Network, and it appears this Xbox Live expansion will not apply to PS4 as yet. However, Sony did enable Fortnite cross-play as a beta late last year, so perhaps further integration of the major gaming platforms will become a possibility down the line.""

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fGELzPqG_sw



https://www.gamespot.com/articles/xbox-live-coming-to-nintendo-switch-ios-and-androi/1100-6464772/

Yes, finally the good old “Microsoft is done in the console business if _______!” Keep predicting it friend, eventually maybe you’ll get it right.

Anyway, yes please? Give me the speed and quality and reliability of the Microsoft network on every console. 

This. Monopolization of the online sector allows them to control the console space with a untapped revenue stream as long as the companies yield and play ball. The games are only a Trojan horse.

What are people even talking about in this thread? That you can play Xbox games on Switch? That Microsoft is taking over Nintendo online?

Come on.

I can't imagine it will be anything but apps and overlays.

Which sounds like it has the potential to be annoying, to be honest, especially if Microsoft convinces (or pays) developers to require Xbox Live for games. I'm sick of signing into things when I'm already signed into other things just so I can play a damn game. At the least it will be a hard prompt, though I'd very much hope it's just an option you can ignore.

As much as you may not like it, if the XB2 performs worse than the XBO, it is inevitable.  Investors, nor Nadella, are going to want MS to continue to release HW if it continues to underperform.  It's why they are pushing PC and this Live expansion.  If they can't rule the console space with their own HW, they'll try to do it with SW and online.

Trojan horse, indeed.  I highly doubt Sony will go along with this, as they are fine with their own online services, and so are tens of millions of people.  Nintendo may be struggling a bit fleshing out their online service, but they would be foolish to agree to this.  It may turn out to be one of those...

As long as they’re making money, I highly doubt investors care. Didn’t Sony sell like 90 million or so PS3s? And yet it lost them money? 

The reason you keep predicting Microsoft to exit and keep coming up wrong is you’re looking at it from a sales scoreboard point of view when that’s mostly irrelevant. Also its not surprising Microsoft is branching out into services and other stuff, every company is, even Sony and Nintendo.

Keep predicting?  I suppose I have said it several times, but it was about the same console.  We'll see what XB2 brings.

Making money is important, but if it's not making much of a profit, they will still say its not worth the R&D and want to move on.  And every step MS has been making this gen has been making moving on easier.  They still may be making a bunch of money next gen on SW and Live, but if not much of that is coming from the console side of things because sales are even lower than this gen, that's what will happen.

Certain games I have on the Switch and the Xbox. I'd be happy if I was just able to earn achievements on the Switch for games I have on the Xbox. A lot of times I think "Damn, I'm gonna have to do this all over again on Xbox." But I love the Switch so much.