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DonFerrari said: Did N64 and GC flopped? 

Not in the epic way that PS3 did



The Switch’s success is more substantial than Wii’s



SjOne said:
The Switch’s success is more substantial than Wii’s

And more sustainable



When the herd loses its way, the shepard must kill the bull that leads them astray.

DonFerrari said:

curl-6 said:

Those platforms, like PS3, were all unsuccessful, yes.

"B-but other divisions"/"But they knew they would lose money" are ultimately moot points. A significant factor in Wii U failing as hard as it did was Nintendo  prioritizing the 3DS division above it, doesn't change the fact Wii U was a failure. At the end of the day, PS3 still lost billions. PS3 still gutted Sony's console marketshare. PS3 still lost the sales war. PS3 was therefore not a successful product.

Unsuccessful or flops?

Not moot points, if WiiU HW was made that way to support other ventures of Nintendo then it could be used as justification, but they focusing on 3DS (which also lost 50% of the sales, so a failure as well right?) wouldn't be an excuse. I didn't say Sony focused on Vaio, TV or any other department and thus dropped the ball on PS3, I said that because of other department strategy PS3 was used to push that even at financial cost on that individual department. We do know that it didn't pay on the other departments and that the strategy ended up not being good. But it wasn't by a mistake or overlook that they forgot how to make the sum of the cost of Cell and BD when putting the price. They said and knew from start that PS3 would cost about 800 and retail for 499 base and 599 with bigger HDD and they also know more or less how much SW they would sell on each HW, so they wouldn't recoup that money lost on the initial run on the SW sold. Sure if PS3 had sold more it would lose even more money, but could also drop the cost faster (we don't know the shift though), and perhaps if they hit 150M HW they could had proffited on PS3 (but looking at the money lost on 85M, versus the money made on the 100M PS1 and 160M PS2, even if they had reached 150M I think they would still had lost money).

Unsuccessful. I never used the phrase "flop" in any of my posts so not sure why you're fixating on it. Please stop putting words in people's mouths.

You can spin Sony's company-wide decisions as much as you like but none of that changes the fact that PS3 lost a massive amount of money and marketshare and was outsold.

Last edited by curl-6 - on 14 February 2019

PortisheadBiscuit said:
DonFerrari said: Did N64 and GC flopped? 

Not in the epic way that PS3 did

ok.

curl-6 said:
DonFerrari said:

Unsuccessful or flops?

Not moot points, if WiiU HW was made that way to support other ventures of Nintendo then it could be used as justification, but they focusing on 3DS (which also lost 50% of the sales, so a failure as well right?) wouldn't be an excuse. I didn't say Sony focused on Vaio, TV or any other department and thus dropped the ball on PS3, I said that because of other department strategy PS3 was used to push that even at financial cost on that individual department. We do know that it didn't pay on the other departments and that the strategy ended up not being good. But it wasn't by a mistake or overlook that they forgot how to make the sum of the cost of Cell and BD when putting the price. They said and knew from start that PS3 would cost about 800 and retail for 499 base and 599 with bigger HDD and they also know more or less how much SW they would sell on each HW, so they wouldn't recoup that money lost on the initial run on the SW sold. Sure if PS3 had sold more it would lose even more money, but could also drop the cost faster (we don't know the shift though), and perhaps if they hit 150M HW they could had proffited on PS3 (but looking at the money lost on 85M, versus the money made on the 100M PS1 and 160M PS2, even if they had reached 150M I think they would still had lost money).

Unsuccessful. I never used the phrase "flop" in any of my posts so not sure why you're fixating on it. Please stop putting words in people's mouths.

You can spin Sony's company-wide decisions as much as you like but none of that changes the fact that PS3 lost a massive amount of money and marketshare and was outsold.

Yes PS3 lost money, marketshare and was outsold, haven't seem any post where I said otherwise. You try to make explanation as spin, so no point in giving them to you, will keep that in mind for the future.



duduspace11 "Well, since we are estimating costs, Pokemon Red/Blue did cost Nintendo about $50m to make back in 1996"

http://gamrconnect.vgchartz.com/post.php?id=8808363

Mr Puggsly: "Hehe, I said good profit. You said big profit. Frankly, not losing money is what I meant by good. Don't get hung up on semantics"

http://gamrconnect.vgchartz.com/post.php?id=9008994

Azzanation: "PS5 wouldn't sold out at launch without scalpers."

DonFerrari said:
curl-6 said:

Unsuccessful. I never used the phrase "flop" in any of my posts so not sure why you're fixating on it. Please stop putting words in people's mouths.

You can spin Sony's company-wide decisions as much as you like but none of that changes the fact that PS3 lost a massive amount of money and marketshare and was outsold.

Yes PS3 lost money, marketshare and was outsold, haven't seem any post where I said otherwise. You try to make explanation as spin, so no point in giving them to you, will keep that in mind for the future.

I understand the reasons for why things happened the way they did, all I'm saying is that the reasons don't change the end result.



curl-6 said:
DonFerrari said:

Yes PS3 lost money, marketshare and was outsold, haven't seem any post where I said otherwise. You try to make explanation as spin, so no point in giving them to you, will keep that in mind for the future.

I understand the reasons for why things happened the way they did, all I'm saying is that the reasons don't change the end result.

I agree with that and also agree for as much as the hardware was great they could have achieve similar results for much cheaper launch and life.



duduspace11 "Well, since we are estimating costs, Pokemon Red/Blue did cost Nintendo about $50m to make back in 1996"

http://gamrconnect.vgchartz.com/post.php?id=8808363

Mr Puggsly: "Hehe, I said good profit. You said big profit. Frankly, not losing money is what I meant by good. Don't get hung up on semantics"

http://gamrconnect.vgchartz.com/post.php?id=9008994

Azzanation: "PS5 wouldn't sold out at launch without scalpers."

The 5th highest selling home console of all time (after being passed by the PS4 in recent months) is considered "unsuccessful" because it didn't sell as well as the first and second best selling consoles of all time. That doesn't sound too "unsuccessful" to me.



potato_hamster said:
The 5th highest selling home console of all time (after being passed by the PS4 in recent months) is considered "unsuccessful" because it didn't sell as well as the first and second best selling consoles of all time. That doesn't sound too "unsuccessful" to me.

Who said that? That hasnt been the argument at all.



When the herd loses its way, the shepard must kill the bull that leads them astray.

zorg1000 said:
potato_hamster said:
The 5th highest selling home console of all time (after being passed by the PS4 in recent months) is considered "unsuccessful" because it didn't sell as well as the first and second best selling consoles of all time. That doesn't sound too "unsuccessful" to me.

Who said that? That hasnt been the argument at all.

"42% of marketshare lost"

"86 million in isolation sounds great, but when you consider PS3 lost nearly half of PS2's marketshare"

"[PS3] gutted Sony's console marketshare."

"But, this completely ignores everything I pointed out about lost marketshare, massive financial losses which completely erased their own profits from their unbelievably successful previous gen, and substantial amount of lost customers. "

"PS3 still gutted Sony's console marketshare."

Yeah, no one has made an argument that the PS3 is considered "unsuccessful" because it never sold as well as the PS2. Nope. Never happened.