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phinch1 on 15 December 2018
JRPGfan said:
UK trade with other nations =

EU makes up 60% of import trade, 55%+ export trade for the UK (indirect ties, and its higher than 55%).
US makes up 8% of import trade, 13% of export trade for the UK.

The EU is a huge part of trade for the UK.
I dont get why you would want to leave without a deal in place, this can cause huge impacts on the economy.

So, what would you do the  if you were in charge? 



S.Peelman on 15 December 2018

First thing I said two years ago was that this whole thing will fall through, and in the end the UK will bremain after all because it’ll cost too much. All this chaos is making my prediction more likely by the day.



Flilix on 15 December 2018

As slowly as possible. Everything in England is dirt cheap now.



JRPGfan on 15 December 2018
phinch1 said:
JRPGfan said:
UK trade with other nations =

EU makes up 60% of import trade, 55%+ export trade for the UK (indirect ties, and its higher than 55%).
US makes up 8% of import trade, 13% of export trade for the UK.

The EU is a huge part of trade for the UK.
I dont get why you would want to leave without a deal in place, this can cause huge impacts on the economy.

So, what would you do the  if you were in charge? 

Id stay in the EU.

The UK does have a voice in the EU right now, and it votes along with everyone else.
Unfair? maybe but its less than 2% of the time the UK votes against things that end up getting passed
(basically these devilish overlords, you guys make up the EU to be, are people makeing laws your representatives agree with the majority of the time).

You pay 14BN to the EU pr year, and get like 6-7BN back, and the rest the trade advantages you get probably more than make up for.

The brexit "no deal" is asking to be screwed over by everyone, and will be harmfull to your economy / jobs.



Barozi on 15 December 2018
phinch1 said:
OTBWY said:
A new referendum with everyone knowing the implications this time

Both sides had 1 year on TV debating this, a second referendum would be ignoring democracy, you would literally have riots on the streets especially with the yellow vest movement becoming very popular. 

You act like the last referendum was the first for the UK to stay in the EU. You're wrong.
There is NO reason not to make a "second" referendum. Since then millions of young people became eligible to vote and millions of old people have died, which makes their vote worthless. If the result stays the same, so be it. But ignoring those millions of votes is definitely much more undemocratic.

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JRPGfan on 15 December 2018
Barozi said:
phinch1 said:

Both sides had 1 year on TV debating this, a second referendum would be ignoring democracy, you would literally have riots on the streets especially with the yellow vest movement becoming very popular. 

You act like the last referendum was the first for the UK to stay in the EU. You're wrong.
There is NO reason not to make a "second" referendum. Since then millions of young people became eligible to vote and millions of old people have died, which makes their vote worthless. If the result stays the same, so be it. But ignoring those millions of votes is definitely much more undemocratic.

Plus since then, all those people that lead the "leave the uk" bandwagon, have left.
Like boris johnson ect. 
None of them want to try and deal with the mess they made, and the lies they told.

Now the UK is wakeing up to the fact that they where lied too, and smelling the coffee.
Plus thats not even going into Cambridge Analystica, with backing from Russia tried to manipulate the vote with propaganda.

A new vote makes sense imo.
Reality smacks you in the face, no harm in getting another chance to decide if you really want to jump off the bridge.




phinch1 on 15 December 2018
Barozi said:
phinch1 said:

Both sides had 1 year on TV debating this, a second referendum would be ignoring democracy, you would literally have riots on the streets especially with the yellow vest movement becoming very popular. 

You act like the last referendum was the first for the UK to stay in the EU. You're wrong.
There is NO reason not to make a "second" referendum. Since then millions of young people became eligible to vote and millions of old people have died, which makes their vote worthless. If the result stays the same, so be it. But ignoring those millions of votes is definitely much more undemocratic

Well..... Unfortunately that's how a vote works, the one with the most votes winst he one with the least loses, you could say that about anything though, since the last General election, how many people have died and how many people have become eligible to vote, let's have another election, we have new talent in the England team, let's have a go at the 2018 World Cup again 



JRPGfan on 15 December 2018
phinch1 said:
Barozi said:

You act like the last referendum was the first for the UK to stay in the EU. You're wrong.
There is NO reason not to make a "second" referendum. Since then millions of young people became eligible to vote and millions of old people have died, which makes their vote worthless. If the result stays the same, so be it. But ignoring those millions of votes is definitely much more undemocratic

Well..... Unfortunately that's how a vote works, the one with the most votes winst he one with the least loses, you could say that about anything though, since the last General election, how many people have died and how many people have become eligible to vote, let's have another election, we have new talent in the England team, let's have a go at the 2018 World Cup again 

"what does brexit mean" was the most searched google question in the UK, the year of the vote, AFTER the vote.
People are uninformed and lied too by politicans like nigel farage & boris johnson.
Plus the russians ran propaganda to for "leave" to push the election in that direction, through cambridge analytica.

What does a vote mean, if its done by the uninformed? and lied too?
Isnt it better to get a new chance to do so, after people see what the reality might well be like?



LurkerJ on 15 December 2018
JRPGfan said:
phinch1 said:

Well..... Unfortunately that's how a vote works, the one with the most votes winst he one with the least loses, you could say that about anything though, since the last General election, how many people have died and how many people have become eligible to vote, let's have another election, we have new talent in the England team, let's have a go at the 2018 World Cup again 

"what does brexit mean" was the most searched google question in the UK, the year of the vote, AFTER the vote.
People are uninformed and lied too by politicans like nigel farage & boris johnson.
Plus the russians ran propaganda to for "leave" to push the election in that direction, through cambridge analytica.

What does a vote mean, if its done by the uninformed? and lied too?
Isnt it better to get a new chance to do so, after people see what the reality might well be like?

And I should rely on the other side to tell the truth huh?

Lol@EU fanboys going at it again. Fear mongering professionals.

 

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contestgamer on 15 December 2018
Barozi said:
phinch1 said:

Both sides had 1 year on TV debating this, a second referendum would be ignoring democracy, you would literally have riots on the streets especially with the yellow vest movement becoming very popular. 

You act like the last referendum was the first for the UK to stay in the EU. You're wrong.
There is NO reason not to make a "second" referendum. Since then millions of young people became eligible to vote and millions of old people have died, which makes their vote worthless. If the result stays the same, so be it. But ignoring those millions of votes is definitely much more undemocratic.

That is really dumb logic. We should have elections every year then. Actually every day, because many old people die daily and young are born too.