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Faelco on 08 December 2018
Ouroboros24 said:
jonathanalis said:
Will that be portable? No way we will get an almost ps5 level portable console in the nexts 5 years (being optimistic), neither for 1000+$.
So, I suppose it would be a home console only, right? a dock like slot to you charge and communicate with your old switch, plays exclusively only some third party games, and streams to your old switch. could include vr too. Could be interesting the concept, but wouldn't sell much. I doubt the developers would like to make games for such a small base.

Nevermind about possibility. I want to know with all the baggage, with all the difficulty, would you just throw away the idea, or would you face it and say here's my money. 

If we don't mind about possibility, I would prefer to take a NASA grade supercomputer in a handheld, let's say with a price of 50 dollars, compatible with all games ever created. You're right, when we don't care about possibility, we can dream about nice things! 



JRPGfan on 08 December 2018
Ouroboros24 said:
jonathanalis said:
Will that be portable? No way we will get an almost ps5 level portable console in the nexts 5 years (being optimistic), neither for 1000+$.
So, I suppose it would be a home console only, right? a dock like slot to you charge and communicate with your old switch, plays exclusively only some third party games, and streams to your old switch. could include vr too. Could be interesting the concept, but wouldn't sell much. I doubt the developers would like to make games for such a small base.

Nevermind about possibility. I want to know with all the baggage, with all the difficulty, would you just throw away the idea, or would you face it and say here's my money. 

*face palm*

So basically you want the impossible, because you think it could be fun..... even though you know it ll never be.
And you want the impossible at only 400$, and you want it today.
And then you made this thread asking people if they wanted this impossible item you discribed.

Yes, if Nintendo gives people a switch thats like 5 times the power of the current one (when docked), for only 400$ im sure most people would be happy.

is that going to happend? No.

Your not getting a FP32 1.84 Tflop  Switch, that plays all 3rd party games that the PS4 has without any downgrades.
There are drawbacks to the handheld design, and this prohibbits such things.



KBG29 on 08 December 2018
JRPGfan said:
KBG29 said:
I would be down with it, but I don't think it would work with most core gamers, and the casual audience. Core gamers would be pissed of that the first model buyers are getting screwed over (their eyes, not mine). While the casual market would be completely confused as to what works where (WiiU sitation).

I think they have to do a Switch Pro/+ or whatever, but it should still be tied to the Switch 1. Bring it out next year, and let it ride out 2 or 3 years.

Then I think would be the time to bring out a Switch 2, that is capable of bringing PS5/XB4 level 3rd party titles to the system. With Solid State Batteries and Solid State Storage both dramatically shifting the possabilities in Mobile device over the next few years, I think that taking advantage of them with a Switch 2 is the best course of action. With it being Switch '2', it is very easy to understand that all Switch Games work on Switch 2, but Switch 2 games don't work on Switch 1.

SSD's are expensive..... look a the Switch it comes with 32GB of Flash storage (something tiny and really cheap).
Theres a reason the PS4 & XB1 dont ship with SSDs (or Solid state storage as you call it), its too expensive pr GB (and games keep getting bigger and bigger).

Solid State Batteries,....  the main point isnt that they store much more battery (its like 1.5x or 2x only), its just that they charge alot faster.
You would still need to carry around a MASSIVELY big switch (to house a big battery & cooling) if you wanted a device that be PS4 performance in handheld mode.

 

So basically you want this in a new Switch Pro:
1.  SSD (extremly expensive storage solution)
2. Faster Chargeing batteries

That seems possible to me, if your going to make a more expensive Switch model, but it ll probably not be any faster just because you add those things in.

I don't think you completely read what I wrote. 

The Solid State Battery and the Solid State Storage would 'not' be for the Switch Pro in 2019. Those would be technologies for Switch '2', a device I would see coming out in 2021 or 2022. Solid State Storage, is going to blow past HDD tech over the next few years in Price/Capacity. So that is not going to be an issue by then. I'm not sure where you are going with the Solid State Battery comment. Yes, they are looking at 2x life per charge, 10min or less for a full charge, and a 10 year life. All great advancements over current tech. Between Solid State Storage, Solid State Batteries, and Regular SOC improvements, a Switch 2 in 2022 should be ready to deliver a scaled back PS5/XB4 expereince. 

I don't know where the idea that PS4 level performance in a handheld is not possible right now comes from. Everyone uses PS4 Slim and Switch as examples of where tech is, but they are both very outdated tech. There have been huge chip improvements since the Tegra X1 and Jaguar/GCN1. Current 14nm Mobile chips already run circles around PS4 and Switch in the CPU department, and go toe to toe with PS4 in the GPU feild. 7nm mobile chips will be well above PS4 in everything in 2019. And no, it won't cost $1,000, Smartphones are sold at a 3x mark up. A handheld with that kind of performance would be possible for $300 - $400.

 But, that is 2019, and I'm not talking about a Switch 2 in 2019. I think a Switch Pro in 2019, that performs just like a PS4 Pro or XBO X is the best route for Nintendo. Don't fracture the userbase, just offer better performance, and a cheaper model. Switch Pro will be able to compete with PS4 and XBO a few more years, and do OK even after PS5/XB4 launch. Switch 2 a year or more likely 2 years after PS5/XB4 would be perfect timing, for both market entry, and tech.



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jenpol on 08 December 2018

i could see a dock pro including an ethernet connection, more storage and maybe some post processing (DLSS/anti aliasing)
other than that maybe a revision before the switch 2



Flilix on 08 December 2018

I don't need a console that's any more powerful than the Switch, and I'm also not interested in AAA 3rd party games. So no, I wouldn't be down.



bananaking21 on 08 December 2018

Even though it released 4 years later the switch isn't capable of Xbox one graphics. Yet you expect a pro switch to reach PS5/xboxnext ? You really expect it to exceed xb1/PS4, then pro, then pro xb1x and match next gen, and still be 400? Lol. No way buddy



SammyGiireal on 08 December 2018
jonathanalis said:
Will that be portable? No way we will get an almost ps5 level portable console in the nexts 5 years (being optimistic), neither for 1000+$.
So, I suppose it would be a home console only, right? a dock like slot to you charge and communicate with your old switch, plays exclusively only some third party games, and streams to your old switch. could include vr too. Could be interesting the concept, but wouldn't sell much. I doubt the developers would like to make games for such a small base.

I agree I could see in 2020 a Switch 2.0 or whatever with PS4 pro as maximum capabilities ( we would probably get something closer to a base PS4 in terms of hardware.  A PS5 type of hardware on a handheld won't be feasable probably until 2027-30 for an affordable price.



silkylove on 08 December 2018
JRPGfan said:
Ouroboros24 said:

Say somehow Nintendo is capable of producing  next gen with a Switch Pro that produces the following environment for the console:

  • It is part of the Switch family like the 2ds is part of the 3ds family.  Sales would still go under the switch family.
  • It will play switch games like Smash brothers, BOTW, SMO, basically any other switch game.  Of course no upgrade, but possible Pro versions of games older switch games like MKdeluxe Pro(Yeah I know it's redundant).
  • It will also play all 3rd party games without the downgrade of graphical fidelity.  You know, COD, Battlefield, NBA2k2020, Red Dead 3, etc.
  • Older Switch models will strictly be playing Switch made games.  
  • It's gonna cost you $400+ because it's pro.
I'm not saying this is what's going to happen, but I wonder if it might just be enticing enough for people get on board.   There's the whole baggage of disenfranchising casual switch owners, having to decide whether Nintendo would make the next LOZ on the next gen engine or stick with the switch, confusing the market if it's decided there's a higher quality version of the same game.  There's just so much division and anarchy with such a console.  But despite all this havoc I have one question for you: would you be down?

Its not currently possible to make a handheld Switch thats on the power level of a PS4slim.

The PS4 slim uses like ~80watts of power when gaming.

If you want a Switch thats able to do something like that, it would need to be the size of a laptop.

It's possible.  Just highly unlikely in the near future.  The newest iPad Pro is on par with the Xbox One S.  A Switch that powerful would be cost prohibitive though.  There is no way that they could sell it for less than $800 if they want to break even.  Nintendo never sells hardware at a loss.



Dulfite on 08 December 2018

If they make sometbing capable of taking on next gen games and still have thw portability there is no way it costs only $400. I love my Swotch, but it's visual powers are closer to Wii U than to Xbox one and PS4, so this would be a pretty massive leap forward.



Green098 on 08 December 2018

By the time the Xbox Two and PS5 are out it won't be that long until Nintendo could just make a Switch 2 instead. The typical Nintendo 5-6 years life cycle would place it due as early as March 2022 which could potentially be only 2 year's or less after the PS5's release. As long as it's backwards compatible that seems like the best route to me. Beforehand just release cheaper Switch skus to get the most out of sales before it's successor launches.

A wait for a 2022 device also brings the benefits of cheaper and larger memory, (e.g. 1TB micro sd cards, 64gb and 128gb Switch 2 carts) as well as bigger power and battery efficiency bump with no need to separate the ecosystem anymore than docked vs undocked.

Last edited by Green098 - on 08 December 2018