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Dulfite on 08 December 2018

Seeing the There Gamigos on stage at the same time has given me a sense of unity, so congrats Sony!



Keiji on 08 December 2018
VAMatt said:
Keiji said:

Can you write in more simplistic way so my small french brain could understand ?

Sorry, there's a typo in there that probably contributes to the confusion.   So....

Because of the PS4 Pro and Xbox one X coming in the middle of the generation, some portion of the consoles sold were sold to people that already owned the original version each of those consoles. So, 80 million PS4 sold does not mean 80 million different people purchased PS4s. Several million of those are people that bought more than one.

I was mentioning this in relation to the Xbox 360 replacement comment. Certainly, the Xbox 360 numbers were inflated to some degree (moreso thantusual) by people replacing their broken systems.  I think the mid generation upgrades have a similar effect on sales numbers in this generation.  I just don't know to what extent.

Thanks I understand. But I think there is something you forget. Actually I think people who upgrade their console sell their old model to other people. I see this a lot.

I mean it goes something like this : 2 people want a PS4, one buy 2 PS4 (old model then the upgrade model) and the other one don't buy a retail PS4 but buy instead a used model, so it doesn't count at the final sale. So at the end it's 2 console sold only for 2 people.

Am I making sense ?



VAMatt on 08 December 2018
Keiji said:
VAMatt said:

Sorry, there's a typo in there that probably contributes to the confusion.   So....

Because of the PS4 Pro and Xbox one X coming in the middle of the generation, some portion of the consoles sold were sold to people that already owned the original version each of those consoles. So, 80 million PS4 sold does not mean 80 million different people purchased PS4s. Several million of those are people that bought more than one.

I was mentioning this in relation to the Xbox 360 replacement comment. Certainly, the Xbox 360 numbers were inflated to some degree (moreso thantusual) by people replacing their broken systems.  I think the mid generation upgrades have a similar effect on sales numbers in this generation.  I just don't know to what extent.

Thanks I understand. But I think there is something you forget. Actually I think people who upgrade their console sell their old model to other people. I see this a lot.

I mean it goes something like this : 2 people want a PS4, one buy 2 PS4 (old model then the upgrade model) and the other one don't buy a retail PS4 but buy instead a used model, so it doesn't count at the final sale. So at the end it's 2 console sold only for 2 people.

Am I making sense ?

Yes. I understand, and agree.  But, certainly not every person that buys a Pro or an X sells their original console.  We'd never be able to figure out exactly how many people fall into that group.  also, some people in every generation by more than one of the same console, as they may want one in multiple rooms. The point is, the mid generation upgrades are just another unknown factor when trying to determine the actual user base of a console.



Keiji on 08 December 2018

Yes but that's probably a minority I think.



VAMatt on 08 December 2018
Keiji said:

Yes but that's probably a minority I think.

Yes, definitely a small minority.  



Rafie on 08 December 2018
AngryLittleAlchemist said:
But their worst selling console sold worse than any Xbox console

Huh?! Are you talking about the Vita?



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Keiji on 08 December 2018
Rafie said:
AngryLittleAlchemist said:
But their worst selling console sold worse than any Xbox console

Huh?! Are you talking about the Vita?

Yes man Vita has done crazy numbers the last months.

He was talking home console.



AngryLittleAlchemist on 08 December 2018
Rafie said:
AngryLittleAlchemist said:
But their worst selling console sold worse than any Xbox console

Huh?! Are you talking about the Vita?

Well sure, what else would I be talking about? 

Consoles are not exclusive to home variants. So the worst selling Playstation console has done worse than any Xbox console. The reverse of that is that 4/6 Playstation consoles have sold better than any Xbox console, and PSP almost matches Xbox's top spot. 



Nate4Drake on 08 December 2018

PS4 has passed both 360 and PS3 right now, and will pass Wii by the end of Sept/Oct 2019, and PSOne by end of Nov.
Even though PS3 was second in the previous generation, it still managed to be king in Europe :D



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Conina on 08 December 2018
Errorist76 said:
John2290 said:
I wonder how many more individual sales that is considering failure rates, I remember seeing estimates of a 51% failure rate for 360, if it was even half that and victims rebought multiple times it could be in he tens of millions.

I’ve read about people who went through 6 or 7 consoles, so highly plausible. 

What that would also mean though is, for what reason ever, X1 in reality would be ahead of 360, launch aligned.

So how do you both explain the billion units sold 360 games?

Tie ratio of over 20 per xbox360-gamer victim?