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PS4 Won October NPD (PS4 > NS > XBO)

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pxrocks said:
Why the 199$ ps4 not available worldwide.thats really dumb.

Black Friday is not really a thing in Europe to the extent it is in the US.  The UK have already turned it into a Sales week, rather than a panic buying mess.  Most deals and bundles will be in December, notably the ten days before.

 

I do think Sony usually get Black Friday right.  I just think instead of those 10 days, they should start the Christmas deals pretty much as soon as Cyber Monday shop restocks begin.



Mr.GameCrazy said:

Wait a second. The Switch sold 12% less than last October!? It's losing momentum, guyz!!

Yeah, its failing of the cliff. :D

 

Megiddo said:
Mr.GameCrazy said: 

Wait a second. The Switch sold 12% less than last October!? It's losing momentum, guyz!!

Switch needs an enormously strong fiscal Q3 to come anywhere even close to Nintendo's bold forecast. This isn't exactly the best way to start that, particularly since these October numbers include the Smash Ultimate bundle. Being down YoY when last year was hindered by stock shortages for the Switch isn't something that should be made light of.

And it will have very strong fiscal Q3 in any case, and even Nintendo dont hit forecast it will be close to it. October isnt expeted to be strong month in any case, from start obviously was all depending from November and December, not from October, Switch selling 50k more or less in October don't change nothing really, Nov+Dec from start were key months with launch of Pokemon and Smash Bros and Holiday season.

Also, Benji said that Switch for now is selling very strong in November (much better than it did last year in first two weeks of November) and that Pokemon is definitely moving consoles, and BF deal with MK8D bundle for $299 yet needs to come, while December is always easily strongest month for Nintendo in any case, and this year they have huge game in December. With all that on mind we can expect around 3.5m sales just for Nov+Dec.

 

colafitte said:

Everyone expecting Swith to obliterate PS4 this holiday season because what happened in December last year.....,are understimating PS4 again..., like always. Last year was last year, it had fewer stock and their main bundle was the failure Battlefront II was, XB X just launched and it was the first holiday for Breath of the Wild, Mario Kart 8 DX and Mario Odyssey. Now PS4 have RDR 2, COD BOPS 4, Spiderman, GOW, ....and it seems there is a lot more stock.

In my opinion PS4 is bound to have a record November NPD possibly around 2M sales, probably selling aroun 500k more than Switch that month and in December I expect PS4 way up YOY, so yes, Switch will win December because Smash and Pokemon but the difference won't be enough to surpass PS4. I won't be surprised if PS4 ends selling more NOV+DEC combined than Switch...

edit: And by the way, Switch won't reach 20M, not even close....Switch is no Wii. If it ends with 17M it will be a success.

PS4 and Switch dont effect each other, Switch last year did had Breath of the Wild, Mario Kart 8 DX and Mario Odyssey, but this Nov+Dec has Pokemon and Smash Bros, plus plenty of bundles, Switch have much stronger Holiday season than it did last year.

Do you want to bet that Switch will pass 17m in shipped units?



Intrinsic said:
Kerotan said:

They just never stop underestimating the ps4 do they. Year 5 it's still full steam ahead year 6 will be the same. It has sold well at 299 all year. The console could sell for the next 5 years if they wanted. Only thing stopping it is the ps5. 

Yup. PS4 is that console that for some reason everyone wants to underestimate. Like they just can't accept that people actually want a PS4.

I don't see it pulling these kinda numbers next year though, especially when rumors of a PS5 are in full swing or even an announcement. Then its sales will be tied to pricing alone. And how low can sony really go. 

Well the thing is if Sony cut the price to $249 all next year it will sell well and if they cut the price to $199 in 2020 i will sell well regardless of a PS5 launched or not. The market for a $199 home console is drastically different to the market that buys a $400 brand new console. 

pxrocks said:
Why the 199$ ps4 not available worldwide.thats really dumb.

Because in in Europe, the middle east and Asia Sony are obliterating MS in the console battle. There's really no alternative to replace the PS4 in the minds of consumers here. In the US there is because Xbox is a very similar console so Sony are more aggressive there. They are implementing a hold strategy outside of NA. Maximum profits and returns from a market that have control of. It's smart business because Sony want to cancel out the losses from the PS3 ASAP and for the first time in their history turn Playstation int a massive money spinner for the company that's been a worthwhile investment from the start. The more money they make now the more they can justify investing into the PS5. 

Jaxyfoo said:
I think Amazon is throwing all of the tools off. They might well have settled the spat, but it is obvious that they have way worse relations with Sony. The result of this is that demand might be 400k PS4s, 300k Switches and 200k Xboxes. It seems from the outside, that they are ignoring the demand, and ordering in 100k PS4s, 300k Switches and 400k Xboxes.

It makes no sense. It obviously happened last year the same way, except 200k PS4s to keep Amazon in the frame. Do Amazon believe they can change demand? Do Microsoft and maybe Nintendo have a stock Warehouse close to Amazon for the holidays to keep the flow much better? All it has probably done is decrease Amazon being a one stop mail order shop for a growing number of Sony buyers full stop. The tool is not a magic psychic predictive Thing. It shows trends, in the way a form guide and weather report help when gambling. With Amazon no longer having a good say on overall results it will have affect, mainly on the holidays. This Doesn't take away from Symbios hard work, or good discussion in the threads. It might well reflect those overall trends moving into next generation, because the thought process is good.

I've never actually said it but I appreciate the effort Symbios puts into his thread, IMO the amazon thread should be merged into his thread as Amazon has become so unreliable lately it doesn't deserve it's own thread. Pus he covers it anyway an factors it in there so what's the point in having two. As for the spat. Sony don't need Amazon and Amazon don't need Sony. 



Miyamotoo said:

PS4 and Switch dont effect each other, 

Great to see more people coming over to this way of thinking. I'd been arguing this from the day the Switch launched. Obviously there will be some cases where PS4 loses sales to Switch but in general the PS4 isn't hampered and visa versa. I've always said a gaming market with just Nintendo, Sony and PC would be ideal and all 3 would do very well.  



Kerotan said:
colafitte said:

Everyone expecting Swith to obliterate PS4 this holiday season because what happened in December last year.....,are understimating PS4 again..., like always. Last year was last year, it had fewer stock and their main bundle was the failure Battlefront II was, XB X just launched and it was the first holiday for Breath of the Wild, Mario Kart 8 DX and Mario Odyssey. Now PS4 have RDR 2, COD BOPS 4, Spiderman, GOW, ....and it seems there is a lot more stock.

In my opinion PS4 is bound to have a record November NPD possibly around 2M sales, probably selling aroun 500k more than Switch that month and in December I expect PS4 way up YOY, so yes, Switch will win December because Smash and Pokemon but the difference won't be enough to surpass PS4. I won't be surprised if PS4 ends selling more NOV+DEC combined than Switch...

edit: And by the way, Switch won't reach 20M, not even close....Switch is no Wii. If it ends with 17M it will be a success.

They just never stop underestimating the ps4 do they. Year 5 it's still full steam ahead year 6 will be the same. It has sold well at 299 all year. The console could sell for the next 5 years if they wanted. Only thing stopping it is the ps5.

Even Sony itself underestimated PS4 this year, so nothing strange if some people also did. I think that Sony (and some people) didnt expect that GoW and Spiderman will be so strong and move so much systems, of course RDR2 will also have big effect during holiday season.



Kerotan said:
Miyamotoo said:

PS4 and Switch dont effect each other, 

Great to see more people coming over to this way of thinking. I'd been arguing this from the day the Switch launched. Obviously there will be some cases where PS4 loses sales to Switch but in general the PS4 isn't hampered and visa versa. I've always said a gaming market with just Nintendo, Sony and PC would be ideal and all 3 would do very well.  

I mean they do in some degree, but we already saw that both PS4 and Switch can do great in same month, both PS4 and Switch will have great Holiday season in any case, saying that Switch will not do during Holiday season because PS4 Spiderman $199 bundle is wrong.



Mr.GameCrazy said:

Wait a second. The Switch sold 12% less than last October!? It's losing momentum, guyz!!

Mr.GameCrazy said:

He'll be back this Friday. Hopefully, he won't freak out in the moderator thread over his ban like last time.

Mar1217 said:

I'm sure he's making a proper come back with October NPD numbers out in the open, don't worry.

DonFerrari said:

Thanks... I expect truly amazing posts from his against this drop from Switch.

Miyamotoo said:

Yeah, its failing of the cliff. :D

 

C'mon guys. No need to taunt a banned user.

Normally, you're accusing him of taking threads off topic. Then why are you bringing him up and doing the same?



Replicant said:
Mr.GameCrazy said:

Wait a second. The Switch sold 12% less than last October!? It's losing momentum, guyz!!

Mr.GameCrazy said:

He'll be back this Friday. Hopefully, he won't freak out in the moderator thread over his ban like last time.

Mar1217 said:

I'm sure he's making a proper come back with October NPD numbers out in the open, don't worry.

DonFerrari said:

Thanks... I expect truly amazing posts from his against this drop from Switch.

Miyamotoo said:

Yeah, its failing of the cliff. :D

 

C'mon guys. No need to taunt a banned user.

Normally, you're accusing him of taking threads off topic. Then why are you bringing him up and doing the same?

People accusing him for constantly downplaying Nintendo and Switch and being constantly negative about Switch sales (and that was basically only thing he was doing). He said that Switch sales will fail of a cliff after holiday season, and that become meme.



Miyamotoo said:
Replicant said:

 

C'mon guys. No need to taunt a banned user.

Normally, you're accusing him of taking threads off topic. Then why are you bringing him up and doing the same?

People accusing him for constantly downplaying Nintendo and Switch and being constantly negative about Switch sales (and that was basically only thing he was doing).

Then why bring him up?

No one in this thread has said anything about Switch losing momentum or falling off a cliff.



Miyamotoo said:
Replicant said:

 

C'mon guys. No need to taunt a banned user.

Normally, you're accusing him of taking threads off topic. Then why are you bringing him up and doing the same?

People accusing him for constantly downplaying Nintendo and Switch and being constantly negative about Switch sales (and that was basically only thing he was doing). He said that Switch sales will fail of a cliff after holiday season, and that become meme.

There's no need for it be brought up constantly. It's time to let it go. He's admitted it was wrong, and it's been months. Stop it. 



Predictions (Made July 2019)

LTD: PS4 - 130m, Switch - 110m, XBO - 52m       2019 : PS4 - 15m, Switch - 18.8m, XBO - 4.8m        2020: Switch - 22m (Peak Year)