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Forums - Politics Discussion - Florida's Election Officials Questionable Behavior During the Recount is Harming Rick Scott

thismeintiel said:

Things in Florida have gotten quite pathetic with this mid-term.  At first it seemed to be just two counties screwing with the election results, but now a third has joined the fray.  Before the recount, we had Broward County continuing to get ballots after the deadline, with the election official refusing to be transparent about the whole process, i.e. where they came from and how many were left.  And in Palm Beach County, you had an election official and her staff "fixing" ballots that were damaged or incorrectly filled out, when those are to be handled by a nonpartisan canvassing board.  Fortunately, Rick Scott filed a lawsuit that pretty much stopped this in its tracks and we now have a recount going on. 

Unfortunately, it seems that Dems are being sore losers in Florida, mucking up the recount process.  In Broward County, election officials uploaded the machine recount total two minutes after the 3 PM deadline, voiding the results back to the initial count.  This just so happened to erase a gain for Rick Scott of around 780 votes.  In Palm Beach County, they missed the deadline, partly thanks to mechanical error.  The only problem is that technicians for the machines witnessed election officials jamming papers clips in the Enter button on at least one of the scanners, which short circuited it.  And the county I mentioned joining the fray, which was Hillsborough, refused to give its numbers on time because their were fewer votes this time around.  My guess is that some were deemed invalid for the recount, so they took "a stand" for all votes to be counted.  One that just so happened to take away 150 votes from Scott.

Now, we'll have to wait and see if we have any other fishy business that goes on during the manual count.  Well, except we did have Broward County mixing some ballots meant for the Senate race in with the one for Commissioner.  Fortunately, it seems they were caught just in time.  Hopefully, that will be the last of it.  And at least for the Governor's race, Gillum has decided to concede.  For the second time.

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After what Republicans pulled in 2000, the Democrats still have a long way to go to catch up in the cheating department.

FentonCrackshell said:
pokoko said:
And rational people see both parties do the same things when they lose and chuckle at the "but the other side is WAY WORSE" bullshit.

This is the perfect retort. On every single article on every single website you’ll find people from opposite sides of the political spectrum being hypocrites. They’ll both give examples of the other side doing some bullish!t wit will never agree that both sides have sh!t and hypocrisy in their ranks.

I just read this in an article on a liberal website: “Of course the threads of a fascist politics weave through both political parties, which have sold their souls to the financial elite, though the Democrats do their work under the cover of self-righteousness and constitutional liberties while the Republicans bask in their embrace of corruption and a craven silence in the face of Trumpism.”

That’s a great summation of the way to hunts are. But you should read the comments there. It’s either they’re mad at the author or they point out how much worse the other side is. I lean left but I’ve been kicked off many websites for calling out liberal hypocrisy. And I’ve been kicked off right-wing sites for calling out conservative hypocrisy. See, neither side likes to lookin the mirror. 

The irony is that they aren't just hurting themselves and the country in general, they're hurting the party they love so much by refusing to hold other members accountable.  Both parties would be much better off if people stopped ignoring bad behavior and trying to shift blame at every opportunity.  If you criticize any politician, no matter how reasonable and accurate your point, you can bet that someone will resort to whataboutism.



collint0101 said:

Source is a Fox news link, yeah has all the credibility of a republican uncle rambling at Thanksgiving dinner. Either way recounts never hurt anybody.

Fox News backed the CNN Acosta legal battle with the White House, which Acosta won.

Bush vs Gore?



Lol, 3pm deadline on a workday. See, this wouldn't happen in countries with actual democracies.



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NightlyPoe said:
vivster said:
Lol, 3pm deadline on a workday. See, this wouldn't happen in countries with actual democracies.

What's wrong with a deadline for counting votes happening towards the end of a work day?

A misunderstanding on my part. I assumed sending in the votes is done on the same day as the poll. Still pretty atrocious for a proclaimed democracy to have votes on a workday at all.



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FoxNews... Might be not objective enough...
But see for yourself:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FzskmXBGMz8



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I just want to pop in here and mention the difference between "this problem LITERALLY NEVER happens" and "it is so rare that the cost-benefit ratio of the proposed solution is just not good enough".

Like, suppose that you can do something that causes 1 case of fraud to be prevented and 10,000 cases of voters for whom the process is made so much more difficult that they don't vote when they otherwise would have. Is that worth it?



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SpokenTruth said:
NightlyPoe said:

Are you under the impression that all IDs in a state's database are on the up and up?  Heck, many of the controversy about this exists specifically because of rules making it more difficult to obtain fraudulent IDs.  Such as the S. Dakota controversy earlier in the thread.

Also, many states do have same-day registration and more will in the future.

2. Impersonation.  Not sure how that works because you need to show the voter registration (and ID depending on state) at the poll for voting.  So now you have to look like them AND have their ID and/or voter registration card.  But I'm going to ask how many people do you really think are impersonating others for the sake of voting and not something like...credit card fraud, loan fraud, etc...  You know, something lucrative for such extensive work.

Again, you've stumbled onto one of the main controversies.  Those who declare voting fraud to be non-existent use it to try and stop laws that require tighter standards for voting identification.  Many states don't require any state-issued ID (photo or otherwise) whatsoever.  For example, here's California's website which says you don't need an ID, but to be on the safe side the first time you vote, a sample ballot will do.

https://www.sos.ca.gov/elections/voting-resources/voting-california/what-bring/

Looking at Wiki (grain of salt noted with the source) and assuming my quick count is right, 17 states require photo IDs, 16 require non-photo IDs, and 17 don't require IDs at all.

3. Messing with mail-in ballots?  Uh, how?

How to mess with ballots whereby no one sees the person voting?  Voting for grandma or someone else in your household you know won't vote themselves, setting up a fake registration(s) remotely and getting multiple ballots sent that way.

Again, I'm sure my imagination for criminal behavior is wanting.

4. Unmatched signature.

I was explaining why it was so difficult to catch someone and why the numbers would be low and an example where a person was basically caught, but you would never show up in a count of voter fraud.  You unfortunately base a lot of the rest of your post around the idea that I am only including failed attempts.  In another scenario, the person votes and that is also how the play ends.  And it also leaves you, again, not addressing the issue of human nature because you believed that I made some sort of error.

I've come to the conclusion you are not very well versed in the voting process.  Some of your possible fraud methods are based on a premise that doesn't match the voting process itself.

Actually, I think we've more established that about you.  You seem to believe that the measures taken to prevent voting fraud are already in place everywhere, when the very controversy exists because attempts are being made to put them in place and Democrats are resisting their implementation.

At this point, your cognitive dissonance makes me wonder if you actively want voter fraud to be pervasive.

I rather find it to be a remarkable act of political will to tell a big lie long enough that people believe it.  10 years ago when this was getting started, the idea that voter fraud just never happens was greeted with chuckles even on the left.  But now it's greeted as a fact.

I found it.  I found it.  An another actual case of election fraud.  Again, just like the other case I showed you, in favor of Republicans.

 

So are you Republicans going to burn Bay County Supervisor of Elections Mark Andersen and Mark Harris congressional campaign at the stake like you did with Broward County Supervisor of Elections Brenda Snipes?

Was it really necessary to bump up this shitpost?



NightlyPoe said:
Errorist76 said:

Was it really necessary to bump up this shitpost?

You must understand, a partisan cheap shot was necessary even if it does blow a hole in his claims.

I'll note that I never claimed that Republicans were angels either.  Hence the necessity of laws.  I thank SpokenTruth for demonstrating the correctness of my opinion.

The degree to which SpokenTruth has validated your previously-stated position is very narrow IMO.  He demonstrated that voting fraud is probably a real issue in some places, yes.  But a mail-in voting fraud scandal doesn't justify laws that make it significantly harder to vote in person but do nothing to stop the sort of fraud that allegedly happened.  What laws are you referring to that this demonstrates the necessity of, and (if this isn't already self-evident after the previous) what is their relation to the laws that you were previously defending? 

Don't worry, I haven't forgotten the Supreme Court thing.  Real life is getting in the way and I'm afraid I don't have the energy to give it too much of my free time.  (My car is dying, work is in a crunch, and I have to build a computer.) 



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