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LudicrousSpeed said:
lol why would Sony stop making exclusives just because of backwards compatibility.

I didnt say that. But my point is they chosen to focus on awesome exclusives. Microsoft however haven't and one of their biggest focuses has been bc. The consumers are voting with their feet and choosing playstation. 



thismeintiel said:
LOL, oh boy.  It has nothing to do with what Sony will let them do or not do, it's because it was made for Windows/PC.  It would require porting. 

It's not just porting. - The hardware and software stacks are so similar to what the PC ecosystems have it's a shit excuse anyway.

The hardware and software stacks are so far locked down... That it deters things like even Homebrew.

thismeintiel said:
Or for Sony to create, or allow other devs to create, a DOS/Windows emulator for the PS4. 

Sony's Playstation 4 is using FreeBSD as the OS base. - You cannot sideload FreeBSD games and software on the Playstation 4.
That is DRM. Face the facts already.

thismeintiel said:
Again, DRM by your poor definition of it.  Really the same goes for modern PCs.

And I have said nothing to the contrary.

thismeintiel said:
It's not like you can just buy those old discs off Ebay, stick them in any PC, and they run.  Nope, you have to run them with a DOS emulator, which is why those games you buy from GOG/Steam even work. 

False.
You do not need to use emulation. I can delve farther into this topic if you want and educate you on the matter if you are genuinely interested.

thismeintiel said:
Just admit it, you used a ridiculous definition of DRM just to push the whole "PC master race."

The PC is the Master Race.




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Kerotan said:
LudicrousSpeed said:
lol why would Sony stop making exclusives just because of backwards compatibility.

I didnt say that. But my point is they chosen to focus on awesome exclusives. Microsoft however haven't and one of their biggest focuses has been bc. The consumers are voting with their feet and choosing playstation. 

You said if instead of exclusives they gave you BC. It doesn’t have to be one or the other. They can do both. What MS has done or is doing is irrelevant to the discussion.



LudicrousSpeed said:
Kerotan said:

I didnt say that. But my point is they chosen to focus on awesome exclusives. Microsoft however haven't and one of their biggest focuses has been bc. The consumers are voting with their feet and choosing playstation. 

You said if instead of exclusives they gave you BC. It doesn’t have to be one or the other. They can do both. What MS has done or is doing is irrelevant to the discussion.

Hello? I'm saying that if this gen Sony hadn't been releasing lots of top quality games but instead were focusing on bc id be pissed. I want quality new games not old games i don't play anymore (for a reason). 



MrWayne said:

DonFerrari said:


And you can still play your games on the original console, I keep my consoles since NES gen, but rarely I play them. They are certainly classics and good to play from time to time, but on the broader view they are neglible on making listing war.

PC gaming is the most curious thing ever, I know to many people that put more than 1k USD in a rig to play DoTA. For me that is asinine use of money but they want some over 200fps even if the graphics will keep being terrible.

But that's my point, those PC-games aren't negligible, they are as important for PC-gaming as new releases like GoW, Spider Man or RDR2 are for Playstation.

Those are a less than a dozen games against regular releases. It doesn't really show any logic in counting the full catalog of PC games from the 80's until today as relevant. Let me ask this way but in percentage how many PC owners upgrade their grid to play a 90's game? People keep changing their consoles or updating their PC to play what is new not what is old, so pad list with ancient stuff is pointless. You may say you have a very big library all you want, but you won't even have the time or wish to play those games. I keep a lot of old consoles, but since there are new games releasing all the time I rarely go back to play old games.

DonFerrari said:

Nope it isn't kinda true. Digital Rights Management of the physical media is the part that can prevent you from pirating it, not the part that prevent you from using on a different console. Unless you want to call DRM the fact a cobol program can't run in access as is or that someone that reads english only can't read a document in swedish.

You have to look at it from the PC gamers perspective.
If a game needs the DVD in the drive to run, it prevents you from running the game on 10 pc's at the same time. that's clearly DRM because it means you and your friends have to buy more then more copy of the game..

This was obviously never a thing in the console space because games were not installed on consoles.

I don't have to look at anyone perspective. I'm looking at the ridiculous way Pema have tried to define DRM.

And I'm still to find any console game DRM that gave anyone any nuisance while playing legitimate, the most I can remember is the pass on some PS3 games if you wanted to play online you had to use the key that were in the game or buy a new one if you had the game second hand/shared. And on some games the keys put as bonus for pre-order. So nope, trying to push a narrative that the console is DRM because you have to buy a disc is ridiculous. This is on the level of "Sony is the devil because they don't let me pirate or play on my PC", business aren't charities.

 

flashfire926 said:
DonFerrari said:

PS3 had BC last gen until Sony saw that the extra cost didn't brought extra revenue and cut it out. So that pretty much show that listing BC games to pad list war is laughable. You may love some or even all of the previous gen games, but a very very very small number of people would buy new consoles for the intent of playing old games they already had console to play it on.


 

Not to take any sides, but the PS3 never really fully got rid of back compat. Every PS3 (even the slims) can play all PS1 disks.  And to make up for PS2 BC removed they released several game collections like ratchet and god of war.

Even during late last gen Playstation/Sony still valued their old games greatly.

Not say you are wrong, because you aren't, and I bought several collections/remasters as they were improved versions, with platinum of games I didn't play before. But considering how much they sold and how many PS1 CDs people played I would say it still wasn't the most relevant of things for PS3 or PS4. But ludicrous tried to portray that as hypocrisy from Sony fans even when he so much swear he doesn't do console war.



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Kerotan said:
LudicrousSpeed said:

You said if instead of exclusives they gave you BC. It doesn’t have to be one or the other. They can do both. What MS has done or is doing is irrelevant to the discussion.

Hello? I'm saying that if this gen Sony hadn't been releasing lots of top quality games but instead were focusing on bc id be pissed. I want quality new games not old games i don't play anymore (for a reason). 

Hello? It’s an irrelevant point to make because no one is asking for Sony to stop making their games and instead focus on BC. You can want BC and new games at the same time, it’s a wild concept but it works. It’s hyperbole you use to downplay BC. 



LudicrousSpeed said:

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Kerotan said:

Hello? I'm saying that if this gen Sony hadn't been releasing lots of top quality games but instead were focusing on bc id be pissed. I want quality new games not old games i don't play anymore (for a reason). 

Hello? It’s an irrelevant point to make because no one is asking for Sony to stop making their games and instead focus on BC. You can want BC and new games at the same time, it’s a wild concept but it works. It’s hyperbole you use to downplay BC. 

Jesus you really missed the point. I know they can focus on both but i sure as hell know which one I'd rather they focus on. 



And you’re still wrong. lol why would working on BC software affect video game development at all?

Basically Sony is doing A, they could also do B with no effect whatsoever on A, but you’re just like “nah, stick to A!”

Until they come out with B, then I predict you’ll think it’s amazing. It’s crossplay version 2 lol



LudicrousSpeed said:
And you’re still wrong. lol why would working on BC software affect video game development at all?

Basically Sony is doing A, they could also do B with no effect whatsoever on A, but you’re just like “nah, stick to A!”

Until they come out with B, then I predict you’ll think it’s amazing. It’s crossplay version 2 lol

Resources are not created out of thin air. It takes time and money to add BC. Nobody is saying BC isn’t nice but it isn’t essential.



Meanwhile Microsoft are doing B very well but not doing a good job at A. I know which I'd prefer. And as sales suggest i know what the average consumer prefers too.