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Do you believe in any god?

Yes 63 36.21%
 
No 111 63.79%
 
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dark_gh0st_b0y said:
I believe it is common sense what the difference is, and why his teaching has shaped the way you live

if you are not trolling and indeed serious about it, then I guess it is poor education

do your research on who Jesus is and why I could possibly follow him, and then maybe you'll know enough to figure out the difference with a 'unicorn'

Not nice of you to call others poorly educated, because they don't share the same belief as you. That's really insulting you know. Can't provide a solid counter-argument and thus you refer to insulting others. Is that what Jesus is teaching you? 

Disappointed.



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Peh said:
dark_gh0st_b0y said:
I believe it is common sense what the difference is, and why his teaching has shaped the way you live

if you are not trolling and indeed serious about it, then I guess it is poor education

do your research on who Jesus is and why I could possibly follow him, and then maybe you'll know enough to figure out the difference with a 'unicorn'

Not nice of you to call others poorly educated, because they don't share the same belief as you. That's really insulting you know. Can't provide a solid counter-argument and thus you refer to insulting others. Is that what Jesus is teaching you? 

Disappointed.

it is not my fault that others get into a discussion about God when they cannot distinguish the difference between Jesus and a 'unicorn'

if they are not poorly educated and they know the difference, which is probably the case, then it is a cheap attempt to present religious people as crazy/stupid, and this is what I find insulting, no respect for other's beliefs

either way I am disappointed too.



don't mind my username, that was more than 10 years ago, I'm a different person now, amazing how people change ^_^

dark_gh0st_b0y said:
Peh said:

Not nice of you to call others poorly educated, because they don't share the same belief as you. That's really insulting you know. Can't provide a solid counter-argument and thus you refer to insulting others. Is that what Jesus is teaching you? 

Disappointed.

it is not my fault that others get into a discussion about God when they cannot distinguish the difference between Jesus and a 'unicorn'

if they are not poorly educated and they know the difference, which is probably the case, then it is a cheap attempt to present religious people as crazy/stupid, and this is what I find insulting, no respect for other's beliefs

either way I am disappointed too.

I can guarantee you that I'm not trolling. I'm also not poorly educated. I even took a university course on Christianity, for which I got decent grades.


We've been arguing for like a dozen posts now, and you still haven't given us a single explanation or counter argument.



dark_gh0st_b0y said:
Peh said:

Not nice of you to call others poorly educated, because they don't share the same belief as you. That's really insulting you know. Can't provide a solid counter-argument and thus you refer to insulting others. Is that what Jesus is teaching you? 

Disappointed.

it is not my fault that others get into a discussion about God when they cannot distinguish the difference between Jesus and a 'unicorn'

if they are not poorly educated and they know the difference, which is probably the case, then it is a cheap attempt to present religious people as crazy/stupid, and this is what I find insulting, no respect for other's beliefs

either way I am disappointed too.

Look, you've made it about Jesus, while the original statement was about god.

I suppose you are a believer in the trinity, thus you went straight for Jesus?

Saying that people are poorly educated, because I assume you can't imagine where we are coming from, shows your level of education, honestly.

Guess the amount of gods that has been created throughout human history. Your god doesn't hold any special place in that if it comes down to actual evidence of his existence. He is on the same level as any figure being imagined in the past. Same as ghosts, unicorns, leprechauns, yetis, and what else came out of the human mind.

Your belief in it, makes it special to you, though, but that's entirely on your subjective level of perspective and understanding. You show the lack of the ability to look behind the curtain. I mean, what research have you actually done? 

What do you know of Exodus, Epic of Gilgamesh, the history of Herodes? Do you know who the father of Gods is? Do you know how the belief in gods evolve in a growing society? 

What about any other giant religion? Did you do your research to absolutely claim that yours is the true one?

I was a christian once, you know.....I know at least something about it.

Provide an argument that shows us that god and unicorns are not on the same level of empirical evidence or move on, because you are ruining this discussion.



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dark_gh0st_b0y said:
SpokenTruth said:

And yet, no major religion says that is enough to get into Heaven. I agree with your intentions of being good, helping others, making positive impacts on the world around you....but that's not good enough.  In fact, that's not even part of the requirement.  You can be an absolute terror to the world and still get into Heaven.

You have to fully believe, accept God/Christ, repent, confess, etc...(all dependent on specific religions).  Merely believing there is a God and doing good is not enough.

talk about Islam

if that's what you believe then you had the wrong influences, in Christianity we are all imperfect in the eyes of God, and we are forgiven as long as we acknowledge and regret the pain our actions have caused, and if we truly understand the consequences of course we will not do it again, in Christianity God judges purely based on intentions not on knowledge, God loves atheists and gays regardless

Jesus teaching serves as a guide on how to avoid bad actions and avoid the pain these may cause to others and ourselves

the basic entry to Heaven are the 10 commandments, the first and most important orders from God to humans in the Old Testament, the rest is a guidance on how to best avoid causing pain on ourselves and others, otherwise we would end up in hell no matter what :P

Jesus teachings are a free gift for everyone and a guide to a better life, they changed the world, and the fact that they still apply today is the best and most meaningful evidence one could ever ask for


"If a man lies with a male as with a woman, both of them have committed an abomination; they shall surely be put to death; their blood is upon them."

I feel the <3.  



dark_gh0st_b0y said:
I believe it is common sense what the difference is, and why his teaching has shaped the way you live

if you are not trolling and indeed serious about it, then I guess it is poor education

do your research on who Jesus is and why I could possibly follow him, and then maybe you'll know enough to figure out the difference with a 'unicorn'

Research on who Jesus is?

Research and belief in christianity do not go hand in hand,that is why faith is needed.



dark_gh0st_b0y said:
Peh said:

Not nice of you to call others poorly educated, because they don't share the same belief as you. That's really insulting you know. Can't provide a solid counter-argument and thus you refer to insulting others. Is that what Jesus is teaching you? 

Disappointed.

it is not my fault that others get into a discussion about God when they cannot distinguish the difference between Jesus and a 'unicorn'

if they are not poorly educated and they know the difference, which is probably the case, then it is a cheap attempt to present religious people as crazy/stupid, and this is what I find insulting, no respect for other's beliefs

either way I am disappointed too.

It's funny that you talk about respecting other people's beliefs when it is you being extremely disrespectful to any religion other than your own. The mere fact that you believe in a specific god is a complete affront to any other religion since you're basically saying that they are wrong. So how is that different from an atheist telling you that you are wrong?

Beliefs are a personal thing and nothing that needs defending or should be defended by anyone but the believer. After all it is just a belief, no one can take a belief away from you, so why would you need to protect it? And why would anyone be required to respect it?

I respect your freedom to believe whatever you want, I do not have to respect the thing you believe in since I have my own beliefs and respecting your belief is in direct opposition of my own belief.



If you demand respect or gratitude for your volunteer work, you're doing volunteering wrong.

I will reply to the sensible arguments when I get the chance, I'm in the mid of my exam period (online that is) :P

have in mind that in Christianity (meaning a follower of the Chirst) ANYTHING not said by JESUS is said by humans and therefore open to interpretation as of how it represents the 'will of god', and the interpretation given by ancient people is based on the knowledge and circumstances of the times, there is no obligation for Christians to follow anything that is not said by Jesus, modern believers know it well, but atheists conveniently stick to anything else except the word of Jesus...!!

I'll leave this here for now, just to clear up whether science and religion are compatible, another fact that atheists like to ignore, there are tons of PhD scientists that are religious, and I major in science myself



don't mind my username, that was more than 10 years ago, I'm a different person now, amazing how people change ^_^

dark_gh0st_b0y said:

I will reply to the sensible arguments when I get the chance, I'm in the mid of my exam period (online that is) :P

have in mind that in Christianity (meaning a follower of the Chirst) ANYTHING not said by JESUS is said by humans and therefore open to interpretation as of how it represents the 'will of god', and the interpretation given by ancient people is based on the knowledge and circumstances of the times, there is no obligation for Christians to follow anything that is not said by Jesus, modern believers know it well, but atheists conveniently stick to anything else except the word of Jesus...!!

I'll leave this here for now, just to clear up whether science and religion are compatible, another fact that atheists like to ignore, there are tons of PhD scientists that are religious, and I major in science myself

Bolded: Being intelligent in one thing does not make you that in another,when something is close to our heart we sometimes wall it in so it's safe from all reasoning to be able to protect ourselves from inner conflict.



dark_gh0st_b0y said:

I will reply to the sensible arguments when I get the chance, I'm in the mid of my exam period (online that is) :P

have in mind that in Christianity (meaning a follower of the Chirst) ANYTHING not said by JESUS is said by humans and therefore open to interpretation as of how it represents the 'will of god', and the interpretation given by ancient people is based on the knowledge and circumstances of the times, there is no obligation for Christians to follow anything that is not said by Jesus, modern believers know it well, but atheists conveniently stick to anything else except the word of Jesus...!!

I'll leave this here for now, just to clear up whether science and religion are compatible, another fact that atheists like to ignore, there are tons of PhD scientists that are religious, and I major in science myself

Nothing in the bible is said by Jesus.  The Gospels are not the words of Jesus, they are the words of the gospel writers, claiming to have accurately recorded the words of Jesus.  If human words are subject to error, then we have no way of knowing if Jesus actually said anything that is reported.  If on the other hand you claim the bible is divinely inspired and not subject to error, then you have to take the whole thing as true.  

Besides that, the laws are reportedly the words of god.  If you believe that the bible is accurately recorded at least, then the laws of leviticus are the words of god, and should carry equal weight to the words of Jesus.  If Jesus' recorded words supposedly show the will of god, then surely god's recorded words should show the will of god as well.  

Moreover, if you get rid of everything not said by Jesus, you'd have to get rid of the entirety of the old testament.  That means there's no original sin and no messianic prophecies.  So, no reason for Jesus to exist in the first place, and no way show he is the messiah.  

And of course, Jesus himself says the exact opposite of what you have said.

"Do not think that I have come to abolish the Law or the Prophets. I have not come to abolish them, but to fulfill them. For I tell you truly, until heaven and earth pass away, not a single jot, not a stroke of a pen, will disappear from the Law until everything is accomplished. So then, whoever breaks one of the least of these commandments and teaches others to do likewise will be called least in the kingdom of heaven; but whoever practices and teaches them will be called great in the kingdom of heaven." Matthew 5:18

Jesus specifically says that all of the laws in the old testament are still valid.  So if everything Jesus says is the will of god, then all of those laws are too.

Science and god are not compatible in the sense that belief in god can be scientifically justified.  There are definitely lots of very smart scientists that believe in god, (although many more that don't) but none of them have put forth a scientifically valid reason for this belief. 

Last edited by JWeinCom - on 20 April 2020