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Do you believe in any god?

Yes 63 36.21%
 
No 111 63.79%
 
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My religious beliefs aside, I have nothing to loose by believing in a higher being.



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I belive in God/higher power, I don't believe in religion which has perverted the notion of God



sales2099 said:
My religious beliefs aside, I have nothing to loose by believing in a higher being.

That's a bold proclamation that isn't true for most believers.

For instance, does your belief influence other aspects of your life? Church attendance, social circles, confirmation bias, metaethical considerations, etc.

It's very dangerous to believe in things for which there is no evidence, especially when such beliefs are capable of influencing our actions. Even today, people are killed for being gay, atheist, being immodest, or even something as banal as drawing a cartoon of a religious character due to convictions.

But my beliefs don't lead to that

Sure they do. Perhaps not in the extreme examples, but certainly things come into play like abortion, gay marriage, prayer in school, creationism, etc.

Now if you're specifically addressing deism and no other baggage with it, I agree it's benign. Same as a belief in leprechauns.



sales2099 said:
My religious beliefs aside, I have nothing to loose by believing in a higher being.

Depends.  Does that belief in any way effect your actions?  If so, then there is a potential that the effect will be negative.  And if not, then what's the point?



JWeinCom said:
sales2099 said:
My religious beliefs aside, I have nothing to loose by believing in a higher being.

Depends.  Does that belief in any way effect your actions?  If so, then there is a potential that the effect will be negative.  And if not, then what's the point?

My actions are my choice regardless of what’s guiding them. My work, wife, friends, family and my interactions with them have nothing to do with my belief in a higher power. Like I said I have nothing to loose but hey by no means am I forcing my belief into anybody. By all means question everything. 

Last edited by sales2099 - on 17 April 2020

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OhNoYouDont said:
sales2099 said:
My religious beliefs aside, I have nothing to loose by believing in a higher being.

That's a bold proclamation that isn't true for most believers.

For instance, does your belief influence other aspects of your life? Church attendance, social circles, confirmation bias, metaethical considerations, etc.

It's very dangerous to believe in things for which there is no evidence, especially when such beliefs are capable of influencing our actions. Even today, people are killed for being gay, atheist, being immodest, or even something as banal as drawing a cartoon of a religious character due to convictions.

But my beliefs don't lead to that

Sure they do. Perhaps not in the extreme examples, but certainly things come into play like abortion, gay marriage, prayer in school, creationism, etc.

Now if you're specifically addressing deism and no other baggage with it, I agree it's benign. Same as a belief in leprechauns.

I am hesitant to bring organized religion in this so I’ll explain further. A belief in a higher power and life after death is preferable to a rather depressing notion that everything is just there just because and when you die it’s the end. 

I gain nothing if I’m an atheist but I have everything to gain by being open minded to the concept. And I can’t stress enough this has no bearing on how I live my life. I live the best life I can and make choices on what I deem to be right and wrong. It literally only applies after I die so I really have nothing to loose. 

Last edited by sales2099 - on 17 April 2020

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SpokenTruth said:
sales2099 said:

I am hesitant to bring organized religion in this so I’ll explain further. A belief in a higher power and life after death is preferable to a rather depressing notion that everything is just there just because and when you die it’s the end. 

I gain nothing if I’m an atheist but I have everything to gain by being open minded to the concept. And I can’t stress enough this has no bearing on how I live my life. It literally only applies after I die so I really have nothing to loose. 

But how do you force yourself to believe something you don't?  And it's my understanding that simply being open minded isn't enough to get into Heaven.  You have to fully believe and accept Christ as your savior - depending on your religion of choice.

Which is the next question.....how do you know what is the correct choice?  Thousands of religions.  All claim they are the right one.  Do you just select the most common one in your area or the religion of your parents out of convenience?  Sounds hardly like the spiritual journey one must take to "find" religion.

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Being open minded is preferable to the depressing alternative. Nobody knows what it takes to get into heaven. We can debate all day but nobody knows...just live the best life you can and make positive impact to people around you. And when you die, guess we’ll see. I just know if it is possible, being an atheist isn’t the way to go. But hey, you do you. I don’t care what or what you don’t believe in. 

The religion choice is interesting. Judaism, Christianity and Islam all have the same God. Just different interpretations of any teachings. I’m inclined to believe that’s an overlap that can’t be ignored. 



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sales2099 said:
JWeinCom said:

Depends.  Does that belief in any way effect your actions?  If so, then there is a potential that the effect will be negative.  And if not, then what's the point?

My actions are my choice regardless of what’s guiding them. My work, wife, friends, family and my interactions with them have nothing to do with my belief in a higher power. Like I said I have nothing to loose but hey by no means am I forcing my belief into anybody. By all means question everything. 

Your actions are a choice but they are guided by your beliefs.  For example, if people believe that god will protect them from Corona virus, they may attend church services.  

If your beliefs do not conform with reality, it may lead you to choose inappropriate actions.



JWeinCom said:
sales2099 said:

My actions are my choice regardless of what’s guiding them. My work, wife, friends, family and my interactions with them have nothing to do with my belief in a higher power. Like I said I have nothing to loose but hey by no means am I forcing my belief into anybody. By all means question everything. 

Your actions are a choice but they are guided by your beliefs.  For example, if people believe that god will protect them from Corona virus, they may attend church services.  

If your beliefs do not conform with reality, it may lead you to choose inappropriate actions.

That’s a silly example. All religions have extreme interpretations but I personally don’t believe in divine interventionism. I am open to the idea of having visions though. 

Make positive impacts to yourself and people around you, love the best life you can. All the while maintain a belief that everything around you isn’t a cosmic accident. So when I die, guess we’ll see. It’s really that simple for me. 

Last edited by sales2099 - on 17 April 2020

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SpokenTruth said:
sales2099 said:

That’s a silly example. All religions have extreme aspects, but I certainly don’t believe in divine interventionism. Make positive impacts to yourself and people around you, love the best life you can. All the while maintain a belief that everything around you isn’t a cosmic accident. So when I die, guess we’ll see. It’s really that simple for me. 

And yet, no major religion says that is enough to get into Heaven. I agree with your intentions of being good, helping others, making positive impacts on the world around you....but that's not good enough.  In fact, that's not even part of the requirement.  You can be an absolute terror to the world and still get into Heaven.

You have to fully believe, accept God/Christ, repent, confess, etc...(all dependent on specific religions).  Merely believing there is a God and doing good is not enough.

I should clarify I’m not agnostic. I just am hesitant to bring up specific religions because we do live in a increasing secular society. I’m not into the mood to debate my religion on a gaming sales site ;)

I do follow the core tenants of my religion and do believe in its God. Coupled with the things I said previously. I don’t follow all aspects and I don’t agree with everything in it, but I do with the core value system. Like i said, I rather believe in something rather then a depressing nothing. 



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