Take your own advise before I drop you off your high horse that sentence was you replying in regards to Octopath content this is why I asked you about English because your replies have not matched the context of what you replied to because the post you tried arguing against was highlighting the overall package (Content, Music, Story etc...) even now you still can't grasp it or refuse to because you wanted to cherry pick one word, I didn't assume I read your replies and you were replying to me so you were taking an angle in a debate in regards to what you replied to even trying to be personal before your balls shrunk when I warned you to watch yourself, as I said before every time you continue your nonsense I'll shut it down hard.

X1 didn't appear to have lower value than it's competitor it flat out did it only became close in US after the super early price cuts to match the more popular product meaning people had a different view of its value the cheaper product even at the same price which still beats it out today very handily. This is a prime example of cost not determining value.

Divinity Sin 2 released last year on PC which has cheaper prices than consoles that's not a good argument as on PS4 it will cost full price.

Same critereas.... in this case for this game the only same criterea it would meet would be duration? (and arguibly quality of the story and/or gameplay) because the build itself, assets, models, etc would all be of inferior scale. On the house, same neighbourhood and same size (as you put for criterea two points that basically show area) one with very basic materials and another with best in class, plus having more amenities (like solar power, rooms prepared and finished for use, furnitured, etc). Nope they won't fall for same price or criterea.

Is God of War the only option in the market for high quality game? People will probably point you that Persona is a superior title or even buying FF X/X-2 or FF XII remastered and will be much cheaper. World of Final Fantasy seem a much better polished turn based game. And I bet we can find several JRPG in the market that have more polish if you go and look for.

You thinking Octopath is the highest value there is for me have no problem since value is individually assessed. But to say others can't see it as less valuable because it doesn't meet the standard of the gen is wrong. Do you think it would sell a lot as FF or even Persona if it released on PS4 looking exactly as it looks?

So you already accepted that having content isn't cutting it. The game needs to have current standard to meet the need (going back to the house comparison, you won't pay 1/5 of the price because the house was made 15 years ago, when it meets all your needs and is well kept, you'll pay about a similar price to a new house).

Sure someone can make a shitty product using a lot of money, and people won't buy it. But still the price is more justified. The point that seems to be going over your head is that production cost alone doesn't justify the price (similar to lenght also doesn't) it is the full package, so if a game is missing a lot in one area the price doesn't meet the value for a lot of people which is the premise of OP (that people can't say it isn't worth 60 USD because it have 100h gameplay). I have played FF Exvius (turn based cellphone game) that looks similar in graphic, have gave me over 1000h of gameplay and I didn't pay 1 dollar on it, should it value be over 100 USD using your premisses? You are making a strawman on the Ryse versus Octopath because no one here said production cost alone defines value.

I look to not be ripped off. I won't pay premium price for a product that costed budget.

Man I won't use the right words that you deserve due to being polite. But yes you assumed. It wasn't written or infered anywhere, you just assumed to make your argument.

Nope First 2 months in USA PS4 and X1 were neck to neck, even first full year wasn't that far off. To a lot of people X1 had more value even costing more. But to general market it had lower value hence it sold less. But if you want to go that route, a lot of games that go the full AAA production sold much much much more tha Octopath so they have more value and Octopath should cost less than they right?

You have the same wrong impression I had. Currently games on PC and console release for the same price, sure PC have discounts earlier on.

The bolded is just silly. As a consumer it doesn't matter at all to me, how much the productions costs. The only relevant thing is the result. As the Metascore shows, Octopath as a result is of higher quality than Destiny, Knack 2, Ryse, The Order, Wolfenstein: The Old Blood, Gravity Rush 2 or Yakuza Kiwami. If you pay more for inferior games that's totally fine and your thing, but your justification it is fair because the devs burned more money is pretty off. That is only relevant if the game is status object, not something that entertains you. Because in the latter case costs are irrelevant if the result is of high quality.

Basically you're and others are saying a game with 84 Meta has not much value. That is incredibly off.

You won't use what ever words because you know you'll be torn to pieces, my argument was already present before you even showed up you tried to cherry pick what you wanted to argue but it doesn't work out because the context doesn't fit.

First 2 Months PS4 had supply issues they launched the same time but PS4 had no stock in its second and third week (it was even outsold by the Wii U) it took about two months to get their manufacturing issues sorted out which buries  this part of your argument. The AAA part of of your post here highlights exactly what I've pointed out in this thread your arguments have had bugger all with what has been lets break it down to show how desperate you want continue this nonsense.

AAA games have sold more than Octopath Yeah and? How do you discern they have more value you look at the overall package from content, music, story, replayability etc... this is what I highlight with Octopath earlier in that it has all of these and your responses were harping on about content only for you to side step and say "I uhhh never said any of it was bad" then why are you even replying then? You effectively admitted you have no place in that particular debate, the's no middle ground either before you try the BS about I'm not saying its good or bad like you did earlier, look at your AAA response you just say they have more value with no explanation in the logic behind it of such what so ever. The irony is that such arguments are what the OP and people on the first page are directing their responses to congratulations you just provided them with a perfect example for their arguments

I've been gaming on PC for over 10 years it's not a wrong impression most games on the platform are cheaper than on console we even have an example right here in this thread of it in the mentioned game this is one reason companies do multiple types of season passes and pre-order packages to force people to pay more and bump up the prices.

The console prices of those games are just fine considering that you get a physical copy. IMO all digital-only AAA steam games should launch at $45. And they should be heavily discounted down to $20 by the 2nd Anniversary of release. 

I believe risk, cost, investment and sale volume should be considered for every project. Just because 8T didn’t use the latest engines doesn’t mean that they can thrive easily off of 2M $40 purchases and pull off an improved sequel and thrive with a new series. This notion that only the latest tech is deserving of a normal price tag is nonsensical - just because a game cost a lot doesn’t mean it holds value. 

The biggest thing that confuses me is how cheap some some people are over $20. Games are already not expensive at all compared to other forms of entertainment.

Have you even looked at the other 14 pages of this topic?

Goddammit, I just wrote my comment and then accidentally exited the tab ... ugh ... !!!

For me, it's more like there's no genuine guarantee that I will enjoy the game. There isn't a guarantee that you will like any game before you play it, but with JRPGs there is even less assurance. I've tried many times to get into the genre, and there are a few games I really enjoyed [Final Fantasy 7, Xenoblade Chronicles 2, maybe Etrian Odyssey 5 if that counts even though it isn't a traditional JRPG], but ultimately the problem is I've never finished one. I don't think it's even anything against these particular type of games, on paper I should love them, it just seems like they're bloated with so many design decisions that don't make sense. You're constantly collecting shit that either isn't important to you, or that you don't know how to use. The combat system either has to be boring as hell, or unnecessarily multi-faceted. Also, I really don't know what is up with video game fans having very low standards for what makes a "great" story. The amount of times I've heard that a JRPG or a Triple A action game has a great story is honestly incredible, and it's almost never true. 

But, I really do like the concept of the game, and the graphics are some of the most unique and beautiful I've seen. I'm just on the fence because I can't tell if the praise is earned, or from my perspective, as unjustified as it's been in the past. I want to buy it, I'm just naturally cautious. I hope the story is good. 

Also, I don't know if it's just me, but the Bravely Default/Attack and Defend system makes no sense. I've played the first 2 hours of Bravely Default and the first demo of Octopath that came out last year, and it just seems like nothing more than a gimmick. You can defend to make your attacks more powerful later on, or you can just attack right away. All it does is drag out the battles, the armor system makes it a bit more interesting (I don't seem to remember that in the first 2 hours of BD but I think it was in Octopath's OG demo?), but even that seems like very little use of the system. Is it more fleshed out in the final game? 

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