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Last November,

I supported him and I still do - Americas 91 15.77%
 
I supported him and I now don't - Americas 16 2.77%
 
I supported him and I still do - Europe 37 6.41%
 
I supported him and I now don't - Europe 7 1.21%
 
I supported him and I still do - Asia 6 1.04%
 
I supported him and I now don't - Asia 1 0.17%
 
I supported him and I still do - RoW 15 2.60%
 
I supported him and I now don't - RoW 2 0.35%
 
I didn't support him and still don't. 373 64.64%
 
I didn't support him and now do. 29 5.03%
 
Total:577
SpokenTruth said:
Trump cancels federal pay increases for all employees citing....wait for it....budget constraints.

http://www.jacksonville.com/news/20180830/trump-cancels-pay-raise-due-federal-workers-in-january

Well, somebody had to pay for the tax cuts, increase in military spending, the wall and infrastructure program he doesn't have online yet.  Nothing like winning when you mess with people money.  



Here is how you get that Hispanic vote.
http://nymag.com/daily/intelligencer/2018/08/trump-administration-questioning-citizenship-of-hispanics.html



Still the laughing stock.

It's mind boggling really.



SpokenTruth said:
Trump cancels federal pay increases for all employees citing....wait for it....budget constraints.

http://www.jacksonville.com/news/20180830/trump-cancels-pay-raise-due-federal-workers-in-january

I just saw this article about Trump looking to add another pay increase for the rich by adding another 100 billion in tax cuts.  So Trump wants to use his office to index capital gains to inflation without congress approval. I know how much people who hated Obama loved his executive orders so I wonder if their opinion will change since they support Trump.

Actually this interview has a lot of meat in it as he states, Jeff Session will not leave his job until after the Midterms (meaning he is looking to fire Sessions).  He talks about leaving the WTO.

Hmmm not long now before Trump put us into Watergate terrority.  Now that McCabe gone who probably been telling Trump to not fire Session, with a few Republicans out there in support, the time is now for Trump to pull the trigger.  This plot is starting to get real good as we get to the closing act.  Lets see if Trump pulls the trigger if the Dems gain seats in the House and Senate.



Feel like bashing my head against the wall. This must be what republicans felt during Obama years. Not sure what their top complaints against him were but I highly doubt wearing a tan suit during a press conference tops Trump's list. Trump is a fucking idiot and I don't understand why people like him. I know there are a lot of stupid people here in USA but I didn't think there were so many.



sethnintendo said:

Feel like bashing my head against the wall. This must be what republicans felt during Obama years. Not sure what their top complaints against him were but I highly doubt wearing a tan suit during a press conference tops Trump's list. Trump is a fucking idiot and I don't understand why people like him. I know there are a lot of stupid people here in USA but I didn't think there were so many.

Careful, you'll get banned for calling people stupid even if it's an empirical fact. 

Furthermore, I still have no idea how anyone could support trump. He's so far removed from decency that I wonder if he has some sort of brain malfunction that makes him unable to empathize with anyone (Might be a sociopath, I'd say, except he's too dumb to get away with it). He takes from the poor (be it money or services), gives to the rich, and is so goddamn clueless that I'm astounded anyone supports him. I was shocked he got elected with his history and his inability to keep the facts straight; I'm appalled that people still support him even after he has proven beyond a reasonable doubt that he is NOT fit to lead anyone, let alone one of the world's superpowers. 

How people could prefer him over Obama (or Hillary, for that matter) is beyond me. He's a pathological liar, has no empathy, has a terrible history as a businessman, boasts about his sexual assault history, Is blatantly xenophobic and transphobic, is very clearly only out there to make big businesses more money, has little to no care for the environment, disrespects anyone who disagrees with him, actively tries to devalue any press that criticizes him, and is so immature I wonder if he's not some spoiled snobby 12 year old in a big boy suit. 

Dear America: "But her emails" doesn't even begin to compare with the absolute trash heap that is the Trump administration's history. Hilary was weird and tried to hard to be hip and had some skeletons in her closet, no doubt, but I'd take 'somewhat shady' politicians over 'blatantly terrible pathological liar without even the faintest hint of self-awareness or decency' any day. 

I maintain that if you (the royal you, not any one person in particular) support Trump in spite of (or even worst, because of) his history and the list of things he has done since being sworn into office, you are a trash person. If you support his policies based on ignorance, his adherence to tradition over progression, his quest to make buddies with all the rich corporations, or his tendency to lie more often than he tells the truth, then you are either willfully ignorant or actively terrible. 



Furthermore, I'm genuinely curious if anyone can supply me with an example of something Trump or his administration has done to help out the little guy. I would love to see if he's actually done ANY good for people other than the rich and powerful.

This is not a joke. In the interest of fairness, I want to know what good he has done that has fostered so much goodwill in the American people. And no, stuff, like putting a travel ban on some middle-eastern countries and threatening to build a wall or detaining families and allowing ICE to abuse kids, are NOT good things, so don't even try.

I just genuinely want to know some sort of empirical balance of good to bad becuase I've not heard about a single good thing he's done. I confess that might be a case of media bias in my country (We're a more left-leaning nation north of the border), but any time I hear people going on about the good Trump has done I just get a lot of shitty examples of him doing shitty racist, sexist, bigoted, ignorant nonsense that only helps the rich and fucks over virtually everyone else.



Alara317 said:

I'd take 'somewhat shady' politicians over 'blatantly terrible pathological liar without even the faintest hint of self-awareness or decency' any day.

I think calling him a pathological liar is a mistake, because it implies that he usually cares what the truth is (and then says the opposite).  There's a really tiny book I like called "On Bullshit", which basically defines bullshit as ... shit, I can't paraphrase with high confidence, and I can't find the book right now.  But Trump would have just made something up that would be to his advantage for people to believe, without knowing or caring whether it was true or not, and that's the essence of a bullshitter as this book's author defines it.  And he's a pathological bullshitter. 

Found it! 
It is impossible for someone to lie unless he thinks he knows the truth.  Producing bullshit requires no such conviction.  A person who lies is thereby responding to the truth, and he is to that extent respectful of it.  When an honest man speaks, he says only what he believes to be true; and for the liar, it is correspondingly indispensable that he considers his statements to be false.  For the bullshitter, however, all these bets are off:  he is neither on the side of the true nor on the side of the false.  His eye is not on the facts at all, as the eyes of the honest man and of the liar are, except insofar as they may be pertinent to his interest in getting away with what he says.  He does not care whether the things he says describe reality correctly.  He just picks them out, or makes them up, to suit his purpose

The author argues, persuasively to me, that bullshit (in serious contexts) is more corrosive to society than lies: 
Both in lying and in telling the truth people are guided by their beliefs concerning the way things are.  These guide them as they endeavor either to describe the world correctly or to describe it deceitfully.  For this reason, telling lies does not tend to unfit a person for telling the truth in the same way that bullshitting tends to.  Through excessive indulgence in the latter activity, which involves making assertions without paying attention to anything except what it suits one to say, a person's normal habit of attending to the way things are may become attenuated or lost.  Someone who lies and someone who tells the truth are playing on opposite sides, so to speak, in the same game.  Each responds to facts as he understands them, although the response of the one is guided by the authority of the truth, while the response of the other defies the authority and refuses to meet its demands.  The bullshitter ignores these demands altogether.  He does not reject the authority of the truth, as the liar does, and oppose himself to it.  He pays no attention to it at all.  By virtue of this, bullshit is a greater enemy of the truth than lies are

He goes on to point out that bullshit tends to be produced when a person feels the impulse, or feels forced, to talk about something that is beyond their understanding.  Needless to say, Trump's huge ego probably gives him the impulse to foist his opinion on people no matter how uneducated he is on a given subject; add to that his lifelong pursuit of publicity, and the fact that he's the fucking President, and he's constantly in a position to comment on anything and everything no matter how ignorant he is of the topic at hand.  And then you add in that the man has no apparent respect for what is true, rather than what his audience will believe at any given moment ("believe me" is one of his most common catchphrases), and it's a shitstorm of epic proportions. 



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Final-Fan said:
Alara317 said:

I'd take 'somewhat shady' politicians over 'blatantly terrible pathological liar without even the faintest hint of self-awareness or decency' any day.

I think calling him a pathological liar is a mistake, because it implies that he usually cares what the truth is (and then says the opposite).  There's a really tiny book I like called "On Bullshit", which basically defines bullshit as ... shit, I can't paraphrase with high confidence, and I can't find the book right now.  But Trump would have just made something up that would be to his advantage for people to believe, without knowing or caring whether it was true or not, and that's the essence of a bullshitter as this book's author defines it.  And he's a pathological bullshitter. 

Found it! 
It is impossible for someone to lie unless he thinks he knows the truth.  Producing bullshit requires no such conviction.  A person who lies is thereby responding to the truth, and he is to that extent respectful of it.  When an honest man speaks, he says only what he believes to be true; and for the liar, it is correspondingly indispensable that he considers his statements to be false.  For the bullshitter, however, all these bets are off:  he is neither on the side of the true nor on the side of the false.  His eye is not on the facts at all, as the eyes of the honest man and of the liar are, except insofar as they may be pertinent to his interest in getting away with what he says.  He does not care whether the things he says describe reality correctly.  He just picks them out, or makes them up, to suit his purpose

The author argues, persuasively to me, that bullshit (in serious contexts) is more corrosive to society than lies: 
Both in lying and in telling the truth people are guided by their beliefs concerning the way things are.  These guide them as they endeavor either to describe the world correctly or to describe it deceitfully.  For this reason, telling lies does not tend to unfit a person for telling the truth in the same way that bullshitting tends to.  Through excessive indulgence in the latter activity, which involves making assertions without paying attention to anything except what it suits one to say, a person's normal habit of attending to the way things are may become attenuated or lost.  Someone who lies and someone who tells the truth are playing on opposite sides, so to speak, in the same game.  Each responds to facts as he understands them, although the response of the one is guided by the authority of the truth, while the response of the other defies the authority and refuses to meet its demands.  The bullshitter ignores these demands altogether.  He does not reject the authority of the truth, as the liar does, and oppose himself to it.  He pays no attention to it at all.  By virtue of this, bullshit is a greater enemy of the truth than lies are

He goes on to point out that bullshit tends to be produced when a person feels the impulse, or feels forced, to talk about something that is beyond their understanding.  Needless to say, Trump's huge ego probably gives him the impulse to foist his opinion on people no matter how uneducated he is on a given subject; add to that his lifelong pursuit of publicity, and the fact that he's the fucking President, and he's constantly in a position to comment on anything and everything no matter how ignorant he is of the topic at hand.  And then you add in that the man has no apparent respect for what is true, rather than what his audience will believe at any given moment ("believe me" is one of his most common catchphrases), and it's a shitstorm of epic proportions. 

That might be the nicest and most conclusive way to describe Trump's tendency to *Coughs* ahem, bend the truth. 



Final-Fan said:

I think calling him a pathological liar is a mistake, because it implies that he usually cares what the truth is (and then says the opposite).  There's a really tiny book I like called "On Bullshit", which basically defines bullshit as ... shit, I can't paraphrase with high confidence, and I can't find the book right now.  But Trump would have just made something up that would be to his advantage for people to believe, without knowing or caring whether it was true or not, and that's the essence of a bullshitter as this book's author defines it.  And he's a pathological bullshitter. 

Found it! 
It is impossible for someone to lie unless he thinks he knows the truth.  Producing bullshit requires no such conviction.  A person who lies is thereby responding to the truth, and he is to that extent respectful of it.  When an honest man speaks, he says only what he believes to be true; and for the liar, it is correspondingly indispensable that he considers his statements to be false.  For the bullshitter, however, all these bets are off:  he is neither on the side of the true nor on the side of the false.  His eye is not on the facts at all, as the eyes of the honest man and of the liar are, except insofar as they may be pertinent to his interest in getting away with what he says.  He does not care whether the things he says describe reality correctly.  He just picks them out, or makes them up, to suit his purpose

Edited for brevity 

Very interesting and I must say probably right on the spot when it comes to Trump.  I always wondered when the Truth actually does come out why Trump will continue to double down on the lie, like he has done with the whole hush money and him not knowing even when the tape came out showing he did.

When you have Trump telling people to trust in him and not what you see or hear and Giuliani saying Truth is not Truth, bullshitter definitely have a way of turning even the Truth into  a lie for their followers.