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February 2015 NPD Thread! 3DS: 395k, PS4: 342k, XBO: 276k, WiiU: 96k

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MikeRox said:
GTAexpert said:
I think the 3DS userbase is a lot smaller than 50 million, considering all the people who keep buying different editions of the same handheld. I guess its something like 18 million.


It won't be that low, but 35m wouldn't surprise me as far as unique active console owners.


I agree with this.  No way is it as low as 18 million but my guess is 30-35m unique gamers.  The total software for the platform leads me to believe this too. 



Kerotan said:
DonFerrari said:


Programmed Obsolescence at play... launch a system, then make it bigger, then bigger, then more powerfull... Have some fools buy all of them. While they could at least already launched it the bigger possible.


Agree with that but they are nothing compared to apple and minor upgrades they provide so frequently.  Sickens me how many people upgrade or buy a new one so soon!  It's a good business model to be fair. 

As they say, a new sucker is born everyday... I also can't understand why would anyone buy one iPhone every 6 months or any of the yearly iterations games (buy once or twice a gen ok, but all of them? Crazy thing)...

But as a company you sell what the customer wants to buy and if they don't want you convince them with marketing or launch a different product... so yes sometimes the fault is on the customer.



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I buy Iphones every year. Ipads, too. Not really a sucker per se. Just have nothing good to spend my money on. Heck, I buy games I don't ever plan on playing and bought a Wii U that I played for a week and never turned on again. I make good money, it's my money, I'll do wtf I want with it. The "suckers" are those that buy into being a judgemental prick because it's the "in thing" atm IMO.



DonFerrari said:
Kerotan said:


Agree with that but they are nothing compared to apple and minor upgrades they provide so frequently.  Sickens me how many people upgrade or buy a new one so soon!  It's a good business model to be fair. 

As they say, a new sucker is born everyday... I also can't understand why would anyone buy one iPhone every 6 months or any of the yearly iterations games (buy once or twice a gen ok, but all of them? Crazy thing)...

But as a company you sell what the customer wants to buy and if they don't want you convince them with marketing or launch a different product... so yes sometimes the fault is on the customer.


Yeah it's like my friends that buy fifa annually.  I bought Fifa 09, Fifa 15 and I'll likely not but another until at least Fifa 19. 



MDMAlliance said:
SpokenTruth said:



Playstation:
Models - 44
Revisions - 3
Designs - 6
Colors - 5

Playstation 2:
Models - 87
Revisions - 15
Designs - 4
Colors - 26

Playstation Portable:
Models - ?
Revisions - 21+
Designs - 5
Colors - 17+

Playstation 3:
Models - 45+
Revisions - 14+
Designs - 3
Colors - 23+

PS Vita:
Models - ?
Revisions - 7+
Designs - 3
Colors - 10


I'm inclined to believe that those numbers are misleading.  All those different models you're seeing are most likely updates to the hardware to make failure and overheating less likely to happen, but not actual upgrades to the hardware's power.  Maybe a few ports will appear here and there, or the size may change... but Kerotan was mostly referring to the 3DS vs the N3DS, which is a bit different.  

Indeed most of those are just haedware adjustments that users rarely ever notice but his statement suggested that Nintendo doesn't release the best console they can up front so that they can intentionally update it to be bought again later on.  This list points out that those kinds are changes are not exclusive to Nintendo.  Especially the design and color sections I listed.  Those are targeted at current owners just as much as new owners.



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Kerotan said:
SpokenTruth said:



Playstation:
Models - 44
Revisions - 3
Designs - 6
Colors - 5

Playstation 2:
Models - 87
Revisions - 15
Designs - 4
Colors - 26

Playstation Portable:
Models - ?
Revisions - 21+
Designs - 5
Colors - 17+

Playstation 3:
Models - 45+
Revisions - 14+
Designs - 3
Colors - 23+

PS Vita:
Models - ?
Revisions - 7+
Designs - 3
Colors - 10


Despite all those stats the rebuy rate on handhelds is much higher than consoles.  I'm pretty sure the psp could be included aswell especially in japan. 

Agreed.  I think the higher rebuy rate is a product lower price (compared to home consoles), wider range of colors and special editions, and more redesigns on the market.  New designs bought by collectors is more common among handhelds though that's a small portion of the market.   Probably also a higher incidence of theft and broken units for handhelds over home consoles (X360 aside....).



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Kerotan said:
MikeRox said:


It won't be that low, but 35m wouldn't surprise me as far as unique active console owners.


I agree with this.  No way is it as low as 18 million but my guess is 30-35m unique gamers.  The total software for the platform leads me to believe this too. 

based on this logic just imagine how much lower the ps3 and x360 are..



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SpokenTruth said:
Kerotan said:


Despite all those stats the rebuy rate on handhelds is much higher than consoles.  I'm pretty sure the psp could be included aswell especially in japan. 

Agreed.  I think the higher rebuy rate is a product lower price (compared to home consoles), wider range of colors and special editions, and more redesigns on the market.  New designs bought by collectors is more common among handhelds though that's a small portion of the market.   Probably also a higher incidence of theft and broken units for handhelds over home consoles (X360 aside....).


Exactly and remember handhelds break way easier.  My family went through 7 DS's over the years between 3 kids. Parents spent a fortune lol.