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vivster said:
Just read that the latest Intel CPUs don't even support PCIe 4. Currently making myself familiar with AMD CPUs. I'm gonna assume that Zen 3 will absolutely demolish Intel's high end.

It is pretty funny and sad to see. It's one thing to not have the core count advantage but when they don't even have the platform advantage, they really shat the bed. Although personally, unless you need a new cpu this year, waiting till Zen 4 might be a better investment in the long run since Zen 3 is supposed to be the last round of CPUs to support the AM4 socket. Next year should be a brand new socket and if that gets supported as long as AM4 has, upgrading the CPU down the line without replacing the mobo is pretty awesome.



                  

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vivster said:
Just read that the latest Intel CPUs don't even support PCIe 4. Currently making myself familiar with AMD CPUs. I'm gonna assume that Zen 3 will absolutely demolish Intel's high end.

You'll have to keep in mind that Intel still has an edge when it comes to gaming.

Also, Intel's Rocket Lake, that will replace the new Comet Lake (10th gen) Intel processors, will allegedly feature PCIe4.0 and are set to launch later this year. If you can wait...

Captain_Yuri said:
vivster said:
Just read that the latest Intel CPUs don't even support PCIe 4. Currently making myself familiar with AMD CPUs. I'm gonna assume that Zen 3 will absolutely demolish Intel's high end.

It is pretty funny and sad to see. It's one thing to not have the core count advantage but when they don't even have the platform advantage, they really shat the bed. Although personally, unless you need a new cpu this year, waiting till Zen 4 might be a better investment in the long run since Zen 3 is supposed to be the last round of CPUs to support the AM4 socket. Next year should be a brand new socket and if that gets supported as long as AM4 has, upgrading the CPU down the line without replacing the mobo is pretty awesome.

No, he can't wait for Zen 4, and that won't launch until 2022: https://www.techpowerup.com/266316/amd-to-support-ddr5-lpddr5-and-pci-express-gen-5-0-by-2022-intel-first-to-market-with-ddr5



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JEMC said:
vivster said:
Just read that the latest Intel CPUs don't even support PCIe 4. Currently making myself familiar with AMD CPUs. I'm gonna assume that Zen 3 will absolutely demolish Intel's high end.

You'll have to keep in mind that Intel still has an edge when it comes to gaming.

Also, Intel's Rocket Lake, that will replace the new Comet Lake (10th gen) Intel processors, will allegedly feature PCIe4.0 and are set to launch later this year. If you can wait...

Captain_Yuri said:

It is pretty funny and sad to see. It's one thing to not have the core count advantage but when they don't even have the platform advantage, they really shat the bed. Although personally, unless you need a new cpu this year, waiting till Zen 4 might be a better investment in the long run since Zen 3 is supposed to be the last round of CPUs to support the AM4 socket. Next year should be a brand new socket and if that gets supported as long as AM4 has, upgrading the CPU down the line without replacing the mobo is pretty awesome.

No, he can't wait for Zen 4, and that won't launch until 2022: https://www.techpowerup.com/266316/amd-to-support-ddr5-lpddr5-and-pci-express-gen-5-0-by-2022-intel-first-to-market-with-ddr5

Weird, what are they gonna launch on 2021? Zen 3+?



                  

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Captain_Yuri said:
JEMC said:

No, he can't wait for Zen 4, and that won't launch until 2022: https://www.techpowerup.com/266316/amd-to-support-ddr5-lpddr5-and-pci-express-gen-5-0-by-2022-intel-first-to-market-with-ddr5

Weird, what are they gonna launch on 2021? Zen 3+?

I think so, yes.



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JEMC said:
vivster said:
Just read that the latest Intel CPUs don't even support PCIe 4. Currently making myself familiar with AMD CPUs. I'm gonna assume that Zen 3 will absolutely demolish Intel's high end.

You'll have to keep in mind that Intel still has an edge when it comes to gaming.

Also, Intel's Rocket Lake, that will replace the new Comet Lake (10th gen) Intel processors, will allegedly feature PCIe4.0 and are set to launch later this year. If you can wait...

Captain_Yuri said:

It is pretty funny and sad to see. It's one thing to not have the core count advantage but when they don't even have the platform advantage, they really shat the bed. Although personally, unless you need a new cpu this year, waiting till Zen 4 might be a better investment in the long run since Zen 3 is supposed to be the last round of CPUs to support the AM4 socket. Next year should be a brand new socket and if that gets supported as long as AM4 has, upgrading the CPU down the line without replacing the mobo is pretty awesome.

No, he can't wait for Zen 4, and that won't launch until 2022: https://www.techpowerup.com/266316/amd-to-support-ddr5-lpddr5-and-pci-express-gen-5-0-by-2022-intel-first-to-market-with-ddr5

It's a different story if Rocket Lake actually launches this year. Hard to believe that it will when Comet Lake S isn't even out yet. And it's not even on a new node, so it'll probably suck just as much as Comet Lake.

I basically lost every trust in Intel to deliver anything competent.



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Captain_Yuri said:
I'd be interested to see how the 2000 series age against the 5000 series considering the 2000 series has Ray Tracing and DLSS while 5000 series doesn't. Since the next gen twins are going to have ray tracing, clearly it's not a gimmick like PhysX was.

Pretty similarly imo, as it needs a 2080Ti to really make something with Raytracing without everything slowing down to a crawl. And this will only get worse for for the smaller cards as time goes by. So I don't think that one a 5700XT vs 2070 Super for instance Raytracing will play any real role down the line.

As for DLSS, doesn't AMD have something similar to this which works with any game? As such, I'm not sure how big the impact of this one really will be.

JEMC said:
vivster said:
Just read that the latest Intel CPUs don't even support PCIe 4. Currently making myself familiar with AMD CPUs. I'm gonna assume that Zen 3 will absolutely demolish Intel's high end.

You'll have to keep in mind that Intel still has an edge when it comes to gaming.

Also, Intel's Rocket Lake, that will replace the new Comet Lake (10th gen) Intel processors, will allegedly feature PCIe4.0 and are set to launch later this year. If you can wait...

The big question is how well Rocket lake will perform. Backporting an architecture is certainly not perfect for the end result of it. I expect a higher IPC, but that the plus in performance gets eaten up by lower clock speed and/or enhanced Power consumption.

The other question of course is if Rocket Lake still comes out this year now due to Coronavirus, and if it does, will come in high volume this year or is it just a paper launch?

Captain_Yuri said:
JEMC said:

You'll have to keep in mind that Intel still has an edge when it comes to gaming.

Also, Intel's Rocket Lake, that will replace the new Comet Lake (10th gen) Intel processors, will allegedly feature PCIe4.0 and are set to launch later this year. If you can wait...

No, he can't wait for Zen 4, and that won't launch until 2022: https://www.techpowerup.com/266316/amd-to-support-ddr5-lpddr5-and-pci-express-gen-5-0-by-2022-intel-first-to-market-with-ddr5

Weird, what are they gonna launch on 2021? Zen 3+?

Not sure if they gonna release anything in 2021. Zen 3 comes late this year, and if Zen 4 comes out early 2022, the time gap between Zen 2 to Zen 3 would be the same as Zen 3 to Zen 4.

Of course, if Zen 4 comes out later in 2022, then putting some Zen 3+ in between will be pretty much mandated by the OEMs anyway. But since Zen 4 only recently got pushed back to 2022 (well, late last year), I have my hopes up that it will come out early 2022.

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Bofferbrauer2 said:
Captain_Yuri said:
I'd be interested to see how the 2000 series age against the 5000 series considering the 2000 series has Ray Tracing and DLSS while 5000 series doesn't. Since the next gen twins are going to have ray tracing, clearly it's not a gimmick like PhysX was.

Pretty similarly imo, as it needs a 2080Ti to really make something with Raytracing without everything slowing down to a crawl. And this will only get worse for for the smaller cards as time goes by. So I don't think that one a 5700XT vs 2070 Super for instance Raytracing will play any real role down the line.

As for DLSS, doesn't AMD have something similar to this which works with any game? As such, I'm not sure how big the impact of this one really will be.

JEMC said:

You'll have to keep in mind that Intel still has an edge when it comes to gaming.

Also, Intel's Rocket Lake, that will replace the new Comet Lake (10th gen) Intel processors, will allegedly feature PCIe4.0 and are set to launch later this year. If you can wait...

The big question is how well Rocket lake will perform. Backporting an architecture is certainly not perfect for the end result of it. I expect a higher IPC, but that the plus in performance gets eaten up by lower clock speed and/or enhanced Power consumption.

The other question of course is if Rocket Lake still comes out this year now due to Coronavirus, and if it does, will come in high volume this year or is it just a paper launch?

Captain_Yuri said:

Weird, what are they gonna launch on 2021? Zen 3+?

Not sure if they gonna release anything in 2021. Zen 3 comes late this year, and if Zen 4 comes out early 2022, the time gap between Zen 2 to Zen 3 would be the same as Zen 3 to Zen 4.

Of course, if Zen 4 comes out later in 2022, then putting some Zen 3+ in between will be pretty much mandated by the OEMs anyway. But since Zen 4 only recently got pushed back to 2022 (well, late last year), I have my hopes up that it will come out early 2022.

I'd be curious to know if AMD's DLSS option also applies to RDNA 1 since according to DF, things like VRS will require RDNA2 but that is already a feature with Nvidia's 2000 series.

I suppose AMD is so ahead in their CPU front that at the rate intel is going, they can skip a year and still be ahead loll.



                  

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As we reach the end of the quad core era, GN released a pretty cool video that benches from intel's glory days of the Sandy Bridge cpus to their boring days of the Skylake/Kaby Lake CPUs to their modern iterations. They also included some modern AMD Ryzen cpus for comparison:



                  

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Very disappointing Humble month:

The first time I paused it for years.

And Games with Gold and PS+ aren't better this month.



Captain_Yuri said:

As we reach the end of the quad core era, GN released a pretty cool video that benches from intel's glory days of the Sandy Bridge cpus to their boring days of the Skylake/Kaby Lake CPUs to their modern iterations. They also included some modern AMD Ryzen cpus for comparison:

Honestly I would have loved to see the benchmarks clock-normalize everything so we get an architectural performance improvement perspective.



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