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May 2013 NPD Thread!

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NintendoPie said:
So is there still no other info or is the title just not updated? -_-


Boring month, did you read the 10 posts before yours though? It is a pretty short thread, and I think that info sums up the month.



RolStoppable said:
binary solo said:

It's not about games, it's about utility and budgets. Shall I get a tablet, which has X,Y,Z uses that are useful in my life, oh and it plays fun casual games, which are fun? Or shall I get a console which plays games and does some other stuff which is less useful in my life and can all be done on devices I already own or on a tablet? Or shall I get both? Hmmm can't afford both, I like motion gaming and social gaming but I already have a Wii, so tablet it is.

If I was part of that blue ocean (and I fancied a tablet) then that would very much be my line of thinking. I would almost certaily buy a tablet over a console if I could only buy one, especially if I already had a Wii. Those blue ocean folks are not invested in having the latest and greatest console, and they're less influenced by shinier visuals, better AI, and cool particle effects. There's actually not a lot of perceived value in dropping $350 for a WiiU. No more than there is perceived value in having a $500 KinectBox which is basically a universal remote contol device with some apps.

It is about games. People buy consoles to play games. The perceived value of a console comes from the games it plays and how much the console and the games cost.

The problem with your line of thinking is that it assumes some kind of purchase must be made (many people who can afford consoles don't buy them). The other problem is that your line of thinking can be applied to the last two decades between home consoles and PCs. So why did consoles sell despite PCs having X, Y, Z uses? The answer can only be the games.

You're thinking like a gamer. Your historical precedent is based on the fact that almost 100% of people buying consoles think like you, therefore they did as you have done: buy a console every generation. That's not how Nitendo's blue ocean thinks.

Perhaps as much as 50% of people who bought a Wii, and maybe 10% of people who bought a 360+Kinect, were not gamers when they bought a Wii/360+K, and they are still not really gamers to the extent that they have bought into the concept of upgrading to a new console cyclically. So these people already have a Wii or a 360. But maybe they don't have a tablet yet. Thinking as an occasional player of casual/social video games are you going to be inclined to buy another console to get what you perceive to be more or less the same experience, or are you going to buy a tablet to get other gaming and non-gaming experiences, which you perceive (mostly correctly) to be somewhat different to what you get on console?

I'm picking tablet wins that decision battle at least 75% of the time.



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binary solo said:

You're thinking like a gamer. Your historical precedent is based on the fact that almost 100% of people buying consoles think like you, therefore they did as you have done: buy a console every generation. That's not how Nitendo's blue ocean thinks.

Perhaps as much as 50% of people who bought a Wii, and maybe 10% of people who bought a 360+Kinect, were not gamers when they bought a Wii/360+K, and they are still not really gamers to the extent that they have bought into the concept of upgrading to a new console cyclically. So these people already have a Wii or a 360. But maybe they don't have a tablet yet. Thinking as an occasional player of casual/social video games are you going to be inclined to buy another console to get what you perceive to be more or less the same experience, or are you going to buy a tablet to get other gaming and non-gaming experiences, which you perceive (mostly correctly) to be somewhat different to what you get on console?

I'm picking tablet wins that decision battle at least 75% of the time.

How would you know how Nintendo's blue ocean thinks?

And how do you come to the conclusion that I think that everyone buys a console every generation when I just told you that it isn't strictly console or tablet like you suggested, but it could just as well be console or nothing.



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ethomaz said:

From sugar...

PSV game this year (LTD)

SC:TIT ~ 28.8K
NGS2P ~ 8.3K
DOA5P ~ 7.5K
MLB13 ~ 38.8K
SS ~ 45.3K

NPD is useless for Vita since Sony has said how many of their sales are digital in NA. 



outlawauron said:
ethomaz said:

From sugar...

PSV game this year (LTD)

SC:TIT ~ 28.8K
NGS2P ~ 8.3K
DOA5P ~ 7.5K
MLB13 ~ 38.8K
SS ~ 45.3K

NPD is useless for Vita since Sony has said how many of their sales are digital in NA. 

Yes but how much of those digital sales are just for Indie and games like Retro City Rampage? No one knows exactly how much of that % make up for digital retail games like Uncharted. Could be 10%, could be 60%. We don't know.



It's just that simple.

MonstaMack said:
outlawauron said:
ethomaz said:

From sugar...

PSV game this year (LTD)

SC:TIT ~ 28.8K
NGS2P ~ 8.3K
DOA5P ~ 7.5K
MLB13 ~ 38.8K
SS ~ 45.3K

NPD is useless for Vita since Sony has said how many of their sales are digital in NA. 

Yes but how much of those digital sales are just for Indie and games like Retro City Rampage? No one knows exactly how much of that % make up for digital retail games like Uncharted. Could be 10%, could be 60%. We don't know.

Does it matter when you see full retail titles in the top 10 more than those small digital games?



outlawauron said:
MonstaMack said:
outlawauron said:
ethomaz said:

From sugar...

PSV game this year (LTD)

SC:TIT ~ 28.8K
NGS2P ~ 8.3K
DOA5P ~ 7.5K
MLB13 ~ 38.8K
SS ~ 45.3K

NPD is useless for Vita since Sony has said how many of their sales are digital in NA. 

Yes but how much of those digital sales are just for Indie and games like Retro City Rampage? No one knows exactly how much of that % make up for digital retail games like Uncharted. Could be 10%, could be 60%. We don't know.

Does it matter when you see full retail titles in the top 10 more than those small digital games?

When we don't have actual per-game numbers in terms of downloads or revenue? Absolutely. Plus even with the most optimistic read of the 30% number those numbers are still pretty ass.



Have some time to kill? Read my shitty games blog. http://www.pixlbit.com/blogs/586/gigantor21

:D

gigantor21 said:
outlawauron said:
MonstaMack said:
outlawauron said:
ethomaz said:

From sugar...

PSV game this year (LTD)

SC:TIT ~ 28.8K
NGS2P ~ 8.3K
DOA5P ~ 7.5K
MLB13 ~ 38.8K
SS ~ 45.3K

NPD is useless for Vita since Sony has said how many of their sales are digital in NA. 

Yes but how much of those digital sales are just for Indie and games like Retro City Rampage? No one knows exactly how much of that % make up for digital retail games like Uncharted. Could be 10%, could be 60%. We don't know.

Does it matter when you see full retail titles in the top 10 more than those small digital games?

When we don't have actual per-game numbers in terms of downloads or revenue? Absolutely. Plus even with the most optimistic read of the 30% number those numbers are still pretty ass.

30% number?



outlawauron said:
gigantor21 said:
outlawauron said:
MonstaMack said:
outlawauron said:
ethomaz said:

From sugar...

PSV game this year (LTD)

SC:TIT ~ 28.8K
NGS2P ~ 8.3K
DOA5P ~ 7.5K
MLB13 ~ 38.8K
SS ~ 45.3K

NPD is useless for Vita since Sony has said how many of their sales are digital in NA. 

Yes but how much of those digital sales are just for Indie and games like Retro City Rampage? No one knows exactly how much of that % make up for digital retail games like Uncharted. Could be 10%, could be 60%. We don't know.

Does it matter when you see full retail titles in the top 10 more than those small digital games?

When we don't have actual per-game numbers in terms of downloads or revenue? Absolutely. Plus even with the most optimistic read of the 30% number those numbers are still pretty ass.

30% number?

They said they do a third of all Vita game sales through PSN. They don't say that it's the average ratio for all retail game specifically, or even whether they're talking about games sold at retail and not digital-only games too. Just 30% of all games.



Have some time to kill? Read my shitty games blog. http://www.pixlbit.com/blogs/586/gigantor21

:D

gigantor21 said:
outlawauron said:
gigantor21 said:
outlawauron said:

When we don't have actual per-game numbers in terms of downloads or revenue? Absolutely. Plus even with the most optimistic read of the 30% number those numbers are still pretty ass.

30% number?

They said they do a third of all Vita game sales through PSN. They don't say that it's the average ratio for all retail game specifically, or even whether they're talking about games sold at retail and not digital-only games too. Just 30% of all games.

I'm not referencing that. They said that 60% of all games were through PSN and 10+ attach rate.