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oh, and since i'm of german decent...i apoligize for that too.



I am planning to go to Iran next summer, I hope this idiot doens't do anything stupid...



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nintendo_fanboy said:
MISTEROMAR MK4, STOP THAT SHIT RIGHT NOW!

You obviously are a racist, and I'll report you. Calling a Nazi a "boy scout" scares the hell out of me, and as I said, I don't agree with the things Jews are doing in Israel, but it can't be compared to what Nazis have done, and they mainly did it to Jews.
You can't compare the number of dead russians to the number of dead jews because the russians were soldiers while the jews were civilists. You obviously have no clue about history and should really be quiet now.

Im not racist, I stand next african, Indonesians, Malay, pakistanis, Indian's, and pray with them. Every colour under the sun and I love them like brothers. Im just saying it like it is.

 

No the 20 million was Russian civilians, you have the hysteric reaction to mention of "jews " in any bad light. This was another reason they hijack the holocaust for them self apart from the money. They have become a protected species, they cannot be criticised for anything, because people have been conditioned to feel sympathy for them. The result is irrational defense of them and failure to see anything they do in a bad light. Not surprising since they own most media, all off Hollywood (very strong tools they use to condition the masses thinking) not to mention world banking and finance.

The leader of Malaysia said as much to the UN in front of the whole world, I para phrase, "The world is run by jews by proxy. How is that a people that a fraction of 1% of the population have such control over the world? (banking, world diamond trade etc) He is a educated man and world leader, not some backwards red neck.

The whole thing comes back to the jews being the only reason america has a intrest in the middle east is to protect them because the jews have such a powerful lobby group in the usa. Iraq was a threat to the jews, usa invades, Iran wants to wipe israel of the map, usa wants to goto war with them. How come north Korea never got invaded, because they never threaten the jews.

The jews would rather americans die for them than fight themself. So the poorest americans are shipped of to fight in Iraq. (for wmd lol)



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Sqrl said:
shrimpy_boy11 said:
I just want to ask something. Dont take it personally but do you fellow americans realise you have an one hell of an idiot for a president?

Like do general citizens (people on the street and familys etc) of america realise he's is stupid?? because the rest of the world does.

Just asking as i dont know what americans think so id thought id ask you guys as... well... you live thier.

.... i hope this honestly dosent offend anyone.

Well ignoring the fact that your comments are completely unspecific I think you will find that most people disagree with him on a number of issues. Those issues will of course cover a wide range of issues, but it is worth noting that many people also agree with him on a number of issues. This again falls back to my point that you were very unspecific.

Now if you are actually going to make claim that he is in fact a person of low intellect I think you will find it substantially harder to back up this claim with anything other than the typical unfounded anti-bush rhetoric, of which there is plenty to go around. Particularly if you are looking for it online.

Furthermore, I think you would find that while Americans do care about how we are viewed in the world we simply do not care what other countries want us to do in terms of who we elect. We elect our candidates based on our views and nothing more. If you take issue with the fact that our candidates don't have your countries best interest as their primary goal then that is definitely valid from your viewpoint but seeing as we are electing our leaders we are looking at our bottom line first.

Finally, it might help a bit if more countries, in Europe especially, were to actually step up to the plate a bit. If you don't like the US's foreign policy perhaps getting your countries involved where we are screwing up is a good alternative. At the moment most of the American people hear a bunch of yelling from the proverbial peanut gallery who are unwilling to get their own hands dirty but plenty willing to bitch when you do it in a way that doesn't suit them.

 

@Yojimbo,

As soon as the US elects a leader that literally claims to want to hasten the end of the world I think your claim would begin to make sense. Until then your comment is a fine example of what propaganda and indeed ignorance can produce when fostered with a dose of "blame it on the US".

@mummelmann,

What resources? Oil? So apparently the Iraq oil wasn't enough so you think he wants to wage war with another country just for a little bit more oil? Because I don't think you can be serious about Iran becoming a serious power. Economically they are beyond insignificant and technologically they are at least 30 years behind the US. So the only thing I can believe is that you, like Yojimbo, are buying into the propaganda and grasping at straws to jump on the "Its the US's fault" bandwagon.

@topic,

I truly dislike the way Bush has handled the war on terror from the start of the war in Iraq onward. The recent surge has been promising, but in many ways it is aggrevating that this progress was not made sooner. At least progress is being made, however.

As far as Iran goes, I cannot fathom how any person would look at the (until now) rising tentions between the two countries and honestly believe that the US is the instigator. What part of radical islam have you not understood? Is it the part where they truly want to bring death to western culture or that part about bringing about the end of the world?

Do people even doubt the grip radical islam has over a country like Iran at the moment? I truly am at a loss for words as to what the disconnect is. Am I the only one who sees news stories about a country that encourages 13 year old boys to strap bombs to their chest and blow themselves up? Or is that the fault of the US also? At what point do you wake up from dreamland and really think about who the bad guys are? Because it sure as hell is obvious to me.

As far as Europe goes, the impression I continually get about the continent is that the governments don't know what the hell to do. So rather than trying something, which if you fail is death politically, they sit by and critique those who are doing something. The result of which is all this fabulous monday morning quarterbacking and second-guessing. I would love to see Europe actually unite behind a cause. At least it would show your politicians still have a bit of a spine left in them.


 There is no other reason to attack Iran presently, that's why I think so.  Whoever controls the middle east 10-15 years from now will have immense power.

Remember the Carter doctrine? Should the U.S be in need, they're to go out in the world and take the resources by force should they have to. This was abolished after Carter, but Bush reopened it when he was instated. Sometime after, massive attacks on some of the most oil-enriched soil on earth occurred, and one has to wonder... You have to at least agree that it seems suspicious, right?

I've no reason to believe the Bush administration does this out of the kindness of their hearts, they WILL require some recuperation after the tremendous cost of this recent war. And look at the U.S economy and how its plummeted since Bush strode into the picture, he certainly does not wish any good on his own people.

I'm not saying that my word is law and that Bush is Satan (frankly, he's too dumb for that) and that the U.S is evil personified. But this is generally how we view things here in the nordic countries, especially here in Norway where our politicians are involved in almost every peace treaty or operation in the world! 



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gorgepir said:

Oh and "History is written by the victors" is from Churchill not me of course.

@edit at nintendo fanboy: What I meant was you probably would not be able to convince someone that they are wrong (in their beliefs or even if they have wrong info) by calling them racists. That was what I meant. If you think what he says is wrong, you should prove him wrong without calling him slurs, because that only makes it harder for him to agree with you.


Yeah you are right, but sometimes arguing doesn't help, therefore I reported him and said what I think he is.

@kitler53: lol, you really seem to have bad luck in political issues

@misteromar: the arguments you are using are exactly the same Nazis used, that's all I want to add.

But the thread has been deruled lately, we should go back to the war on iran issue I think. I want to make clear that I am against a war there. I already stated that forcing a country to use democracy just makes the danger grow that extremists will take the power because democratic systems are not stable if they are not widely accepted. That is exactly how Hitler gained power.
Pro-activ attacks are only ok if there is a real danger for other countries or if for example lots of Iranis would ask for help. At the current situation in the world, no middle-east country is a real danger to the world, so no war there can't be apologised imo. The war in afghanistan, and the war in Iraq were huge mistakes. What makes the situation even worse is that the reason for those wars is the importance of the region in terms of oil. As kitler mentioned, only the middle east is important in the USA while there are bad things going on in other parts of the world too.



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misteromar mk4 said:
nintendo_fanboy said:
MISTEROMAR MK4, STOP THAT SHIT RIGHT NOW!

You obviously are a racist, and I'll report you. Calling a Nazi a "boy scout" scares the hell out of me, and as I said, I don't agree with the things Jews are doing in Israel, but it can't be compared to what Nazis have done, and they mainly did it to Jews.
You can't compare the number of dead russians to the number of dead jews because the russians were soldiers while the jews were civilists. You obviously have no clue about history and should really be quiet now.

Im not racist, I stand next african, Indonesians, Malay, pakistanis, Indian's, and pray with them. Every colour under the sun and I love them like brothers. Im just saying it like it is.

 

No the 20 million was Russian civilians, you have the hysteric reaction to mention of "jews " in any bad light. This was another reason they hijack the holocaust for them self apart from the money. They have become a protected species, they cannot be criticised for anything, because people have been conditioned to feel sympathy for them. The result is irrational defense of them and failure to see anything they do in a bad light. Not surprising since they own most media, all off Hollywood (very strong tools they use to condition the masses thinking) not to mention world banking and finance.

The leader of Malaysia said as much to the UN in front of the whole world, I para phrase, "The world is run by jews by proxy. How is that a people that a fraction of 1% of the population have such control over the world? (banking, world diamond trade etc) He is a educated man and world leader, not some backwards red neck.

The whole thing comes back to the jews being the only reason america has a intrest in the middle east is to protect them because the jews have such a powerful lobby group in the usa. Iraq was a threat to the jews, usa invades, Iran wants to wipe israel of the map, usa wants to goto war with them. How come north Korea never got invaded, because they never threaten the jews.

The jews would rather americans die for them than fight themself. So the poorest americans are shipped of to fight in Iraq. (for wmd lol)

BOLD TEXT: This is the same type of bullshit put forth by Adolf Hitler. Putting one group of people in a group to unite your religion against them in hate is nothing new, and it is just as dangerous as naziism. And Hitler was also educated and not a 'red neck', what's your freakin point??

Your Jewish paranoia is just stupid. You have destroyed your credibility and made yourself a joke. We invaded afghanistan because we were attacked by a terrorist group based from there, and they would not give them up. We attacked Iraq because our intelligence services, as well as most intelligence services in the world (not just bush as some morons would like us to think) believed strongly that Saddam either had or was developing WMDs and hated us enough to sell them to our enemies (Al Quiada). We did not find stockpiles of WMDs, but we did find some. We found mustard gas tipped warheads, we found recently used Chem weapons training facilities that contained small stores of nerve gasses such as VX, Mustard, etc. We found some mobile chem labs that could have been used to create chemical weapons and had traces of these chemicals. All of these are enough to firmly prove that Iraq was in material breach of the UN's mandates, and justify an invasion according to the UN's resolutions.

Both of these wars were in OUR national interest and had NOTHING to do with the Jews. If we wanted to protect the Jews so bad, why didn't we invade Palestine?? Have you thought anything through, or has your blind jew-hate tainted your entire world view?

And on invading Iran. They have threatened the annhialation of an entire nation (isreal). This is a very dangerous thing to do. If somebody makes threats like this, we should believe them. Case in point, the Nazis.



The war isn't inevidable. LMAO. It seems more unlikely, that US will not attack Iran. Iran is too strong for them to start fighting there alone. Differece between Iran and Iraq, is that Iran is a lot bigger country and they may not want their government dead. Anyway, USA would definately need reinforcements, like it had in Iraq, but the opposition in Europe is so strong, that the politicians don't want to dig their political grave like for example Tony Blair and Gernhard Schöder did (and the reason why some European countries attacked Iraq, was Iraq owning them a lot of money, which Iraq didn't pay). So, USA isn't really getting any help from Europe. I don't think even Australia is willing to attack Iran. That leaves Israel to support USA, but there's this problem that Israel is between a rock and a hard place, Israel is surrounded by countries, who want Israel dead, so when the rumble starts, Israel propably will be attacked from every direction. And they don't want that.

Anyway, can someone tell me what Iran has done? The reason why USA is after Iran, is because as a OPEC member, Iran wants (OPEC) to trade oil in Euros (just like also Iraq wanted).

If cause is better than means, then Israel should be terminated, since the reason why they fight so much in the middle-east, is because they want to get rid of the jews.

@Sqrl: Oh please, you propably are the only one who doesn't see it being propaganda. Stop watching Fox and mixing up the radical group such as PLO or Al-Qaeda at the area, with the countries governments. I could say British being extremist christians because of IRA.
Now, i don't say that Irans government would be the good guy, but it's not exactly the bad guy either.
So, the radical Islam isn't any worse than radical Christianity, since they both have the same causes. Also the US propaganda in this matter seem to be efficient, since this whole thing with Iran doesn't have nothing to do with religion. Do you even know many people in Iran are extremists? Do you know how much christians live in Iran? I don't see any reason why Iran would want to attack the western world, when the only reason they're not part of the western world, is that they have been blocked out of it.

Also notice, that the countries who make the most noise about Irans nuclear program, are the ones having nukes. Iran having nukes, would basically mean that these countries would have to be good friends with Iran (especially USA, which it don't want to).
Now, don't get me wrong, i'm against Iran having nukes (which they don't have), just like i'm against every existing nuke. I don't see why Iran couldn't have them, when "everyone else has nukes".

About the Israel and Nazis, there's definately some similarities, such as the jews having a goal to destroy Palestina. The point is, that they aren't any better.
So, if USA helps the ones that need help, without any personal gain, why they don't help the palestinian?

One of the reasons, when you say Europe sitting on their asses, while doing nothing, is that there are so many countries, and everyone has their own view. Just look who went to Afghanistan and Iraq. There's no such thing as "european army", every country has their own and most countries army exists only for defending their own country from possible attacker.

About the WWII, who were the good guys and who were the bad guys. For example my both grandfathers fought agains the allied, and the British declared a war to us by USAn pressuring. And all we did was defend our country against invasion from superior enemy. And how many countries did allied and it's allies actually invade?
And the real good guy, USA, luckily they didn't nuke hundreds of thousands civilian in Japan and luckily they didn't plan to nuke more.
As you can see, things aren't so black and white. There's actually no good guys or bad guys.

@Kyros: WWII wasn't a fight between good and evil. If you read some history, you may notice that. As i said, there were no good guys or bad guys. If the nazis would have won, you would still be saying that "luckily the good won".



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