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Forums - Sales Discussion - The Official March 2010 NPD Thread (Data for 5 weeks ending Apr 3 2010)

jarrod on 17 April 2010
Kasz216 said:

And by providing it, They got to publish FF7, FF Tactics, Bushido Blade... and a 4th game I can't remember.  Really all and all probably not a bad deal.

It was a 6 game deal actually...

  1. Bushido Blade
  2. Einhander
  3. Final Fantasy VII
  4. Final Fantasy Tactics
  5. SaGa Frontier
  6. Tobal No. 1


Ulysses on 17 April 2010

Any news on the top 20?



postofficebuddy on 17 April 2010

^You mean actual numbers? No. Anyone know if that Canadian Sony rep tweeted about Canadian NPD? He's been doing that since December.



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darthdevidem01 on 17 April 2010
palancas7 said:

From GAF

 

Originally Posted by Swittcher:
Isn't it weird that Yazkua 3 totally bombs in spectacular fashion, but no one is ever gonna mention it to Sega, ever again? "Why did Yakuza 3 do so poorly?"

But in 3 months, Sega's still going to be giving interviews about how badly mismatched Madworld was for the Wii audience.
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So true!

Actually when seeing if Yakuza 3 has "bombed" or not people would compare it to Yakuza 1 & 2 sales, and ye know what, its basically selling like those did except slightly better I think. So Yakuza 3 "bombing" isn't a big deal since 1 & 2 bombed just as spectacularly. 

And adding in Japan sales no-one is worried about the game financially.



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drkohler on 17 April 2010
Squilliam said:

1. They can slap the fab with a massive fine. Then they can wait for about 6 months without consoles to sell whilst they desperately try to port their chip over to a new process. Thats the risk they take by having a single supplier. If its not profitable for the fab they'll get dropped as a customer and its as simple as that.

2. Yields are what they are. When moving to a new process theres always a risk that the wafers coming off the production line don't yield the desired number of chips. This relates back to number 1. If they reduced the number of wafers ordered on the 65nm process then if they are unable to ramp up the 45nm RSX wafer production like expected there would be shortages.

I think it is pointless if I continued to try and explain to you how mass manufacturing works. Both of your points are completely bizarre from a real world standpoint, the real world simply _does not work_ as you seem to think. (btw, if you think the 45nm process is a new process, you are about 2-3 years late. People have started diddling with the 20/22nm processes now, this is new). End of discussion.



postofficebuddy on 17 April 2010

@drkohler Please stop overanalyzing. Production orders can be retroactively changed. How else would you explain their change in PS2 forecast from 5 million to 7 million?



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Noobie on 17 April 2010
palancas7 said:

From GAF

 

Originally Posted by Swittcher:
Isn't it weird that Yazkua 3 totally bombs in spectacular fashion, but no one is ever gonna mention it to Sega, ever again? "Why did Yakuza 3 do so poorly?"

But in 3 months, Sega's still going to be giving interviews about how badly mismatched Madworld was for the Wii audience.
___________
So true!

I think the point we are missing here is that Yakuza 3 did more than its expectation in Japan, thats why they released Yakuza 4 within a year and it is also selling above Yakuza 3 in Japan. So i think Yakuza 3 did bring a bit profit to Sega in Japan. So bringing the Y3 was to test if it can be well recieved in Western world.. And i dont think it would have lost them much either.. So its a calculated risk which even after failure i think i didnt harm them much.

Thats my point of view of the things.



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Squilliam on 17 April 2010
drkohler said:
Squilliam said:

1. They can slap the fab with a massive fine. Then they can wait for about 6 months without consoles to sell whilst they desperately try to port their chip over to a new process. Thats the risk they take by having a single supplier. If its not profitable for the fab they'll get dropped as a customer and its as simple as that.

2. Yields are what they are. When moving to a new process theres always a risk that the wafers coming off the production line don't yield the desired number of chips. This relates back to number 1. If they reduced the number of wafers ordered on the 65nm process then if they are unable to ramp up the 45nm RSX wafer production like expected there would be shortages.

I think it is pointless if I continued to try and explain to you how mass manufacturing works. Both of your points are completely bizarre from a real world standpoint, the real world simply _does not work_ as you seem to think. (btw, if you think the 45nm process is a new process, you are about 2-3 years late. People have started diddling with the 20/22nm processes now, this is new). End of discussion.

This isn't mass manufacturing. This is contract semi-conductor fabrication. Sony pays aprox $5000 per wafer and yields and staying within design rules are their responsibility. So they could have screwed up the transition, the fabrication process may not be up to the demands of a complex 300M transistor, ~100mm^2 chip, it happens.  



Tease.

jarrod on 17 April 2010
Noobie said:

I think the point we are missing here is that Yakuza 3 did more than its expectation in Japan, 

Uh, what were Y3's expectations in Japan?  



darthdevidem01 on 17 April 2010
RolStoppable said:
darthdevidem01 said:
palancas7 said:

From GAF

 

Originally Posted by Swittcher:
Isn't it weird that Yazkua 3 totally bombs in spectacular fashion, but no one is ever gonna mention it to Sega, ever again? "Why did Yakuza 3 do so poorly?"

But in 3 months, Sega's still going to be giving interviews about how badly mismatched Madworld was for the Wii audience.
___________
So true!

Actually when seeing if Yakuza 3 has "bombed" or not people would compare it to Yakuza 1 & 2 sales, and ye know what, its basically selling like those did except slightly better I think. So Yakuza 3 "bombing" isn't a big deal since 1 & 2 bombed just as spectacularly. 

And adding in Japan sales no-one is worried about the game financially.

We'll see if all that holds up in case Monster Hunter Tri doesn't become a blockbuster in the West.

QUIET YOU, I wanted to make the first "MH Tri is a MAJOR flop in the west, we need to talk about it" thread!

Now you've ruined the element of surprise.



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