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the-pi-guy said:

o_O.Q said:

"Just because gender is social, doesn't mean that transitioning could be trendy."

ok lets look at a hypothetical, let say transitioning was seen as trendy do you not concede that this could have a significant influence on gender since gender is socially constructed?

"Because there's a difference between psychological and physical (which can include biological, legal) impressions of gender. "

haven't you already done away with the idea that gender is physical? so I don't see why you'd focus on that distinction

I bring up detransitioning because clearly those people flipped flopped back and forth when it came to their gender, what is your explanation for that?

"The point I was making, is no one is choosing to have gender dysphoria"

gender dysphoria being what? thinking you should have the physical characteristics of the other sex?

"people without gender dysphoria are not transitioning."

I'm not understanding, if they had dysphoria shouldn't transitioning have fixed the issue? why then are some people detransitioning?

I'm not understanding, if they had dysphoria shouldn't transitioning have fixed the issue? why then are some people detransitioning?

No.  Transitioning doesn't work for everyone.  Some people find transitioning doesn't alleviate their dysphoria.  

Some people detransition, because it's doesn't help them and they're also having to deal with the stigma that people have towards people that have transitioned.  Those two facts together basically mean it's better to deal with the dysphoria without the criticism.  

>gender dysphoria being what? thinking you should have the physical characteristics of the other sex?

Gender dysphoria is a discomfort, feeling that your biological sex and identity don't match.

>haven't you already done away with the idea that gender is physical? so I don't see why you'd focus on that distinction

No.  Something being a social construct doesn't mean it's not physical.  And it doesn't mean aspects of it can't be physical.  

The value of money is a social construct.  A bunch of people basically agreed that money has some kind of value.  Yet I can still hold a dollar bill in my hand.  

There are a lot of different physical aspects that correspond to gender.

>ok lets look at a hypothetical, let say transitioning was seen as trendy do you not concede that this could have a significant influence on gender since gender is socially constructed?

A world where transitioning was seen as trendy isn't something that makes any sense to me.

It'd be a world where gender identity isn't something anyone cares about, so transitioning wouldn't really make sense. 

"No.  Something being a social construct doesn't mean it's not physical.  And it doesn't mean aspects of it can't be physical.  

The value of money is a social construct."

money itself like our biological bodies is physical but the perception of money's value like our perception of who is female and who is male is intangible since it exists in our consciousness

when you people say that gender is a social construct you are appealing to the latter to invalidate the use of the former for differentiation and obviously it causes you to run into trouble constantly 

"There are a lot of different physical aspects that correspond to gender."

like what? clothing?

"It'd be a world where gender identity isn't something anyone cares about, so transitioning wouldn't really make sense. "

I don't get the idea that right now anybody other than like less than 1% of the population cares or knows about "gender identity"

as an understatement, the average person is not questioning their gender so i'd say we live in your imagined era where people generally don't care about gender identity right now

"Gender dysphoria is a discomfort, feeling that your biological sex and identity don't match."

you could've just said "yes"

Last edited by o_O.Q - on 26 August 2019