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the-pi-guy said:

o_O.Q said:

"Even if that did make any logical sense"

trust me you aren't the only one having difficulty seeing logical consistency

"Being transgender is the opposite of cool.  It's an immense amount of stress, because a lot of people hate people for being transgendered."

and a lot of people see them as validation for their delusional ideas about equality so in some circles they are venerated

"Even still the latter doesn't follow from the former."

how does it not? if something(in this case gender) is constructed out of our social makeup then how does it not follow?

"Gender is a social construct, that doesn't mean a change in the perception of gender would cause people to change their own gender."

if gender is socially constructed then how could our collective perceptions on gender and obviously as a result our interactions also changing not have an impact?

are trying to argue that our perceptions do not impact significantly on the social makeup of a society?

"You still seem to think that people are choosing to be transgender.  No one is doing that."

how do you explain the people who detransition?

>how does it not? if something(in this case gender) is constructed out of our social makeup then how does it not follow?

Because gender and transitioning are different things.  

Just because gender is social, doesn't mean that transitioning could be trendy.

>how do you explain the people who detransition?

Because there's a difference between psychological and physical (which can include biological, legal) impressions of gender.  

Someone who was born a man can have gender dysphoria and still put on paperwork that they're male.

The point I was making, is no one is choosing to have gender dysphoria, and people without gender dysphoria are not transitioning.  

which ones?

Not relevant.  

"Just because gender is social, doesn't mean that transitioning could be trendy."

ok lets look at a hypothetical, let say transitioning was seen as trendy do you not concede that this could have a significant influence on gender since gender is socially constructed?

"Because there's a difference between psychological and physical (which can include biological, legal) impressions of gender. "

haven't you already done away with the idea that gender is physical? so I don't see why you'd focus on that distinction

I bring up detransitioning because clearly those people flipped flopped back and forth when it came to their gender, what is your explanation for that?

"The point I was making, is no one is choosing to have gender dysphoria"

gender dysphoria being what? thinking you should have the physical characteristics of the other sex?

"people without gender dysphoria are not transitioning."

I'm not understanding, if they had dysphoria shouldn't transitioning have fixed the issue? why then are some people detransitioning?