Lonely_Dolphin said:
We can't have a civil discussion until you bring down that shield of ignorance you've got up. No weapon triangle, Range Meta, overall tankier units, magic learned rather than being a weapon, combat arts, turn wheel, promotion increasing stats if below par, shields and rings, and so ons, all from Echoes.
Lysithia is my frailest unit and she has 44 HP and 13 def (14 with current battalion) and is not even max level yet... What that means is an enemy has to have a whopping 59 attack to one shot her. Needless to say most enemys don't deal that much. And no, it wasn't lucky growths that got her that, promotion increases your base stats if they're below a certain threshold. If I wanted to I could give her a shield and a battalion with higher defense, but with +2 range from Thyrus she rarely gets attacked anyway. So if even my frailest unit can take a hit, imagine everyone else lul. Surely in your Fates example you mean Xander? Ryoma's defense is just average, on higher difficulities he'll die in 2-3 hits on his own. Eitherway, they're the head honchos, of course they'll be strong. Units like Elise and Azura however will die in 1 shot to just about anything, and overall most units die in 2 hits on their own as enemy damage caps between 40-50 while your units at max level have HP around 40 with 20-30 def. Archer/Sniper have +1 Range, Bow Knight has +2 Range, so you can reach 4-5 when combined with Longbow and arts like Curved Shot and Hunter's Volley. There are 3 range spells like Thoron, and items that increase magic range. As for Gauntlets, using your example, a unit with base 25 str will have 50atk with training gauntlets, 39atk with Silver Lance+. That's the power of innate double attackin. As said already, they're not as good against armor, but otherwise will deal just as much if not more dmg, especially since their lightweight makes them the easiest to double with. Tbh it's been ages since I played Awakening. That game is really broken and unbalanced as well, but I do remember actually feeling pressured and needing to think carefully about what I was doing. Then again it was my first Fire Emblem. Fates though clearly has more strategic depth. Even if you found it easier somehow (Birthright n Revelations sure, but Conquest?) that doesn't necessarily mean it's less involved. I mean for one you generally can't kill enemies without them attacking you, which is most relevant in a game where units die in 1-2 hits. |
No I definitely meant Ryoma. His evasion was crazy high so most enemies didn't hit him in the first place, and even when they did, they generally didn't do enough to make more than a slight dent. If you sent him in equipped, it gets even more ridiculous because Astra fills up the partner gauge so he's always getting free hits. Of course that works with Xander too, but not quite as well, since Conquest has tougher enemies in general, and Xander will actually have to take the hits.
To your Lytheria example, you didn't mention speed which is important. Or resistance for that matter, since there's more than one way to be attacked. At any rate I opened a map with a suggested level of 29. There is a unit with 62 attack and a brave weapon. There are also 6 enemies with an attack above 50. For this map in particular those happen to be Wyverns. So, very hard to actually keep out of their range. So even on this map, which I think you're a bit overleveled for, enemies are not far off from killing in one hit, and if you're within the range of two enemies, you're done.
But that's your frailest unit. Lets go with mine. My frailest physical unit at the recommended level has 37 HP and 13 Def. So, an enemy will need 50 attack to KO them. There are on this stage, 6 units that can do that, the only ones that really can't here are the monsters (which obviously I can't KO in one turn) and mounted bow units. It'd be broken if literally everything can OHKO my units, but most of the physical ones can, and any combination of two enemies should KO if left in range.
My bulkiest unit (who is two levels over the recommendations) has 50 HP with 25 Def a shield for 4, and a batallion that gives her 6. So... effectively 35 def. There's nothing that's going to OHKO me... but she's slow enough that some of the enemies here should get two shots in. One of the ones that have 55 attack will leave me with 10 HP if they hit me. Which means if there's one other enemy nearby, she's done. Her rsl is only 17 so against mage units she's worse off. Even with her, I have to be cautious when attacking.
My example was using the base silver lance, not the +. That minor point aside, the more important thing is that gauntlets will not give you 50 Atk, it will give you 25 attack two times, which is a big difference because that means the opponents defense is being factored in twice. Taking the closest unit on this map, and my grappler into account. My grappler has has 26 str, 23 speed, and closest enemy has 21 prt and 20 speed. Gauntlets are going to do 18 damage with silver gauntlets, as opposed to 18 with the silver lance. I swear I didn't look for a particular enemy to make it work out like that, it just happened (although since fist faire activates twice, gauntlets actually have the edge by 5 damage). If the enemy had one def higher, it would do 16, and the lance would do 17. And if it went in the other direction, the gauntlets would have a bigger advantage. Of course, you also have to factor in that gauntlets have lower weight, but their combat arts kind of suck, and they don't have a killer variant to my knowledge. All in all, they're just not all that, particularly in the late game. Oh, and of course once you get brave weapons, you'll probably be kicking yourself if you put all your eggs in the gauntlet basket. They're just good for early game, but then the early game is kind of easy either way.
Again, if you're just mindlessly attacking the nearest units and having success, either Golden Deer is insanely easy, or you've been blessed with amazing RNG. Nobody else seems to be having the same experience as you.
Last edited by JWeinCom - on 07 August 2019
