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colafitte said:
Miyamotoo said:

You wrote that I said "there was no way Switch was going to ship just 9M in Q3", while I was always saying I expecting around 10m. Yeah, I also did said 18m minimum, I will miss it for 1m, big deal. Yeah, I was convinced that 20m is possible, not that Nintendo will dot that mark definitely. I don't backpadall nothing, I stand by things I said, I was saying around 10m in Q3 and 3m+ in Q4, and that will mean Switch will do minimum 18m+, and that around 11m in Q3 and Q4 is possible and that can hit 20m. Like I wrote, Q3 is around expected, but forecasted Q4 is less than expected.

Pokemon Gen 8 + Animal Crossing can easily sell more than Smash Bros + Pokemon Lets Go and to be even bigger system seller games, but its not point only about those two games, point is that Switch had lower than expected sales from April until September (so two quarters) because it didnt had system seller game until November didnt had good enough library of games (Labo, Mario Tennis and Octopath Traveler were only new exclusive games in 6 months). Like I wrote before (and you did ignored that my post with clear facts), just currently confirmed 2019. games: NSMBU DX, Yoshi, Pokemon Gen 8, Animal Crossing, Fire Emblem, Luigi's Mansion 3, Daemon X Machina, Marvel Ultimate Alliance 3, Town...in same period of last year what we know about 2018. lineup was only Kirby, Mario Tennis, Donkey Kong TF and Hyrule Warriors DE and that was years first Direct that Switch this year yet to have. More about that in this thread.

http://gamrconnect.vgchartz.com/thread.php?id=238576&page=1

You cant know how much boost first price cut can gave, and its not point only boost from price cut.

 

Broken clock can be right two times on day, you were more right about hardware sales than I but you were quite wrong when comes to software sales (for Smash and Pokemon). And yes, when you can say something like: "If they do that is because they're afraid to drop sales from the year before", you dont know what are you talking about.

You again show you dont know what are you talking about, why all best selling consoles (PS2, DS, PS4, Wii and PS1) had price cuts in most cases in 2nd year on market? Because Sony and Nintendo wanted even better sales than they were before price cut or because production costs were down so they could maintain same profit margin despite price cut. Again, its not point only about price cut, its point about revision also (espacily if we talk about $200 price point revision) and stronger lineup of games, so combination of all those things. Nintendo didnt want to cut price in 2018. because it was too early and/or because revision is coming in 2019. every console had price cut latest in 3. year on market and 90% of them before end of 2. year on market.

 

We are deffinatly getting low price revision this year and very possible price cut for current Switch model (or in worst case bundle with one game at same price point).

We talking about FY sales, and 2019. FY starts on April 1., you dont know even full lineup even for April not to mention full quarter. Despite we dont know full April releases, games that are currently confirmed for April are: Mortal Kombat 11, Dragon Ball Heroes, Final Fantasy X/X-2, Final Fantasy XII, Dragon’s Dogma, Darksiders..much stronger lineup of games than in 1st 3 months of this years combined or than in 1st 3 months of last year combined. This clearly shows that Nintendo dont care too much about FY 2018 Q4 but they want very strong start of FY 2019. Actualy all games Switch that are already announced for 2019. are confirmed like 2019. releases, and Nintendo said there will not be delays, they also said they have more announced games for 2019. (offcourse they have, they will not talk about hole FY 2019. lineup before FY 2019. even started).

3DS will be dead soon and Switch will be only their platform moving forward, they want Switch to much bigger than in its, thats why like rumors saying we are getting low price point Switch Mini that will be focused on handheld play, so to reach lower price point on market also.

 

I get your opinnion, but it based on some wrong things like that 2019. lineup will not be stronger than 2018. or that you dont understand how price cuts works and what are all points of price cuts (its not only when consoles is not selling like expected).

We had a lot of discussions about Switch sales for weeks last year, and most of the times you said 12-13M shipped was too low. Why then we spent so many discussions like this one today if we agreed on the same number then? You said 18-20M (and you expected more 19M than 18M), a range way bigger than my prediction that always was 17-18M (when i said multiple times i expected more close to 17M), and despite all of that, you was wrong and i was right. You never accepted back then me saying Switch was going to ship 9M like you don't accept now me saying that Switch is going to ship 17M. It was the same then as is now. You used the same kind of words you are using now.

You keep repeating i was wrong on Pokemon Let's go sales and that's wrong too. I always said i expected 10M in 2018 and i was right. As for Smash Bros, i expected  more than 4M 1st week (4-4'5M to be specific) and 8'5M sold by the end of the month. Do you know exactly how much it sold??, because i don't. I probably was a little below but not that much as you want to say. Smash shipping 12M could mean 10M sold i guess, but that's the closest we can get to know exact sales. That's the most i've been wrong with my predictions this holidays.

And thanks by the way to say i was right on Spiderman sales, Pokemon Let's Go sales, PS4 sales, XBO sales (according to VGC), Switch sales (according to VGC) and shipments just by pure luck.....That hurt me. I must be the luckiest person ever then. Just because i failed a prediction in the game that was voted the most surprising in terms of sales in this very site, now i have to drop my convictions about my predictions....mmmm no sir.

You have to start accepting i have different opinions than you, and after being right most of the last ones, i expected at least some improvement in respecting my opinion, but seems that we're again at the same spot as before. I will apreciate if you lowered your condescending tone about me. It's almost insulting. Stop insinuating i'm stupid please. 

I gave my opinion in this thread, you quote me, and i answered you, multiple times. I don't know how much you want from me. It seems you want me to say what you want and if there is something i don't say is because i'm missing the point or because i don't know what i'm talking about, and the only reason is because i just don't want to be so specific about each game Switch has this year. I know them all, and despite all of that, ports and indies are not going to help Switch sales, period.  If what you want from me is me changing my opinion is not going to happen just because the reasons you are mentioning. I'm not convinced, that's all.

I respect your opinion and everyone elses here. Some day i'm going to be wrong (100% happening, it's inevitable), or maybe very wrong in what i predict. When that happens, don't worry, i will be there and i will admit my mistakes. I have no problems at all. Until then i will keep my opinion on this.

What 12-13m shipped? I was pretty clear, I was expecting 18-19m first, and later when sales numbers start apearing (early Janaury) I said that even 20m is possible and I start expecting 19m+. Also fact is that I said Switch will ship around 10m in Q3, guess what, Switch shipped 9.4m in Q3. But like I wrote, what I did expect is that Q4 will better than last year, last year Q4 was 2.9m, and I said this FY will be minimum 3m+, and Nintendo now forecasted 2.5m for Q4. My low estimate was Q3 around 10m and Q4 around 3m+, and that would put Switch at least 18m+ (because Switch done 5.1m in Q1 + Q2), later I start saying that I expect around 10-11m for Q3 and around 4m for Q4. I was wrong, I already addmit that, its not shame to be wrong, its shame to not admit that. On other hand you missed both Pokemon and Smash Bros for couple of millions.

I am pretty sure you said Pokemon will be below 10m and even below Smash Bros. Predicting sold numbers for games is pointless, because only official numbers we getting at end are are shipped numbers from Nintendo, and you cant prove you sales prediction in any case. So yeah, you were wrong for both Smash and Pokemon sales.

I really dont care about your predictions about other platforms, we talking here about Nintendo. Actualy I dont care too much about prediction numbers, I more care based on what you making your predictions.

I respect your opinion, but if keep telling me you think that 2019. lineup will not be stronger than 2018. lineup, than tell me why think like that, I gave you very clear examples and good arguments that very clearly shows in any case that 2019. will be stronger than 2018. and you still keep ignoring that. But when comes to your argument for price cut, "If they do that is because they're afraid to drop sales from the year before", that clealy show you dont  know what you talking about when comes to  price cuts, I am sry if that offends you but thats true.